We need an AH

[Mack]

MMORPG.

RPG.

Right, because everyone who plays RPGs is an RP'er?? get real.

[Jennestia]

Right, because everyone who plays RPGs is an RP'er?? get real.

Nope, but by definition you really can't look down on those and their ideologies that does.

[Physic]

While I respect your opinion, I dont have as much time as you. I disagree with you completely, and think there is no such animal as too much convenience. Further more I just can't support that kind of ridiculous RP idealogy.

are you really hating the time it takes which is about 30 seconds to go to the ward and find the item? Its not really enough of a time dialation to call its a time sink, while it may add to your convienence, it detracts from the actual game, all the people who have retainers dressed up to make people stop and look at them, the shop option (which is mostly dead but hey you can buy and customize a stand)

The fact is there is no actual real world equivalent where i order something and it instantly pops up next to me. you go to the store, and get the item, or you order it online and wait for delivery. Realize that the game isnt only made for your convience in mind, its also for other peoples entertainment. It would be very convienent to hit a get exp button and have the game roll fights and tell me the results, but its not a good game. While it is convienent for you to buy stuff faster than 30 seconds, it is less entertaining for people who want to create items, and shops and play that aspect of the game. 30 seconds is a pretty small price to pay so that other people at least have a ghost of some sort of market customization or shop simulation.

there are people who want even more complex player run shops even now, they may not get it, but if you think your view as someone who doesnt want to deal with buying and selling items at all is more important than those who do, you are basically just saying, screw you i want the game thats best for me.


to zavier, AH was seperate for all cities in FFXI there is no reason to think AH would solve cities being under utililized other than to make it even less utilized. Not much was going on in windy AH last i checked.

For me, as a person who doesnt really care that much about selling i would actually benefit from an AH, but market wards are now, basically so similar that throwing those guys a bone, and making it slightly more involved to try to manipulate the market is worthwhile. (least if someone wants to buy out all the competition and overprice the item, they actually got to run to every store and do it)

[Mack]

are you really hating the time it takes which is about 30 seconds to go to the ward and find the item? Its not really enough of a time dialation to call its a time sink, while it may add to your convienence, it detracts from the actual game, all the people who have retainers dressed up to make people stop and look at them, the shop option (which is mostly dead but hey you can buy and customize a stand)

The fact is there is no actual real world equivalent where i order something and it instantly pops up next to me. you go to the store, and get the item, or you order it online and wait for delivery. Realize that the game isnt only made for your convience in mind, its also for other peoples entertainment. It would be very convienent to hit a get exp button and have the game roll fights and tell me the results, but its not a good game. While it is convienent for you to buy stuff faster than 30 seconds, it is less entertaining for people who want to create items, and shops and play that aspect of the game. 30 seconds is a pretty small price to pay so that other people at least have a ghost of some sort of market customization or shop simulation.

to zavier, AH was seperate for all cities in FFXI there is no reason to think AH would solve cities being under utililized other than to make it even less utilized. Not much was going on in windy AH last i checked.

With the search star system the way it is no one looks at the retainers playing dress up because nobody cares. And you're right about the real world equivalent thing, the fact that there's not real life equivalent of giant yellow birds that we can ride around is also the reason they didn't put chocobos in. You might say but what about magic, well to that I'll invite you to my place so I can show you a few spells you can do in real life. I can for example Raise someone from the dead, or light someone's hair on fire...really cool stuff.

There's much better ways to build a market place, and this isn't one of them. The only reason SE decided not to go with an AH is so they can charge you for extra retainers, simple as that, which wouldn't have been bad had their execution of the MW been any good.

[Physic]

With the search star system the way it is no one looks at the retainers playing dress up because nobody cares. And you're right about the real world equivalent thing, the fact that there's not real life equivalent of giant yellow birds that we can ride around is also the reason they didn't put chocobos in. You might say but what about magic, well to that I'll invite you to my place so I can show you a few spells you can do in real life. I can for example Raise someone from the dead, or light someone's hair on fire...really cool stuff.

the point is the game is trying to simulate buying and selling just as much as it trying to simulate spells.

apply the same logic for buying and selling that you have to using skills

yeah and a game that simulates spells could just have you click fire, and then tell you in chat log what your damage is, it would be way faster to level, and you wouldnt have to wait 5 seconds to do a fire spell.

Yeah and the giant yellow birds could instantly just put you where you want to go, but why do i get the feeling very few people actually want to do that.

because its not fun, its not entertaining, it makes the game seem more cheesy for some of the player base.

just because you dont give a crap and want your items instantly doesnt mean its the best thing. like i said there are people who want to play all sorts of market games, it costs you 30 seconds. I would consider the run speed of this game way more of timesink than all of the marketwarding you will do in your entire life as a player.

If you want to think of an AH, think of an AH that actually makes the game better and works with systems present to create a better experience, dont just limit it to, yeah this makes ME feel better


That said if they do add an AH it would have to have a hefty tax, it has to be more expensive than bazaaring or marketing, and would also have to have that risk of loss, which they had in FFXI. so yeah whatever is clever.

[zaviermhigo]

to zavier, AH was seperate for all cities in FFXI there is no reason to think AH would solve cities being under utililized other than to make it even less utilized. Not much was going on in windy AH last i checked.

They just recently combine all the AH in XI, go check. My boyfriend still plays, you go to Windurst or Whitegate, its the same AH now. Newest update.

[Jinko]

They just recently combine all the AH in XI, go check. My boyfriend still plays, you go to Windurst or Whitegate, its the same AH now. Newest update.

LOL only took them 9 years ... /sigh

[zaviermhigo]

If the market wards functioned in all three cities, and not just Uldah I don't think there would be that big of a move towards an AH. The only way I'd welcome and auction house in this game is if it the same auction house for all three cities. In FFXI they just merged the AH's and everyone loves it, it makes it easier for you to just grab an item while your in Windurst (deadest city on valefor) If the AH was added and it was the same for all three cities, it would make it easier for those in Gridania or Limsa to buy items and not use a tele just to get a crafting mat or two.

[Vackashken]

I'll take convenience (an AH) over defending a retarded, comparatively clunky, system that never should have been there in the first place.

[gifthorse]

I don't like Auction Houses, but they might as well implement one now that they ruined the market system and made it for all intents and purposes an auction house, albeit an inconvenient one.