We need an AH

[Physic]

the opinions of that dude are well thought out, but are majorly effected by lack of search function, which MW now has. Being able to get the item fast is relative, you think having to travel for 40 seconds is too long, but "fast" in game terms is relative, its honestly about as fast as if you had to go to an npc to buy an item in the same town. Definately shorter than going from my moghouse to the crafting guilds in FFXI at store opening to try to beat the rush.

Its not the level of convienence you would like for that feature, that i get, but i really dont think it improves the game overall to have instant AH versus having a well organized and searchable bazzar.

I do think they could add to Market wards though, breathe more life into them, they feel a bit claustrophobic. Today i was crafting in one ward, which is generally cool because most of the stuff you need ends up in one ward, but its not visually the type of place you d want to hang out in.

Too put it simply, market wards as a system has way more potential for cool stuff to expand on than an AH would, if the opportunity cost for that is 40 seconds, then im fine with that. However setting up some sort of delivery system with a tax, or some type of condition, wouldnt be a horrible idea.

I still dont believe in a price history though, even though i guess they could implement some sort of appraisal of items which could figure in its rough value over the past few months of sales

[Mega]

OP is a clown. Lots of claims and no explanation. "The AH is simply faster!" Uhhh why? Cuz you say so? In the end Cairdeas owns you and your little thread.

[whoopeeragon]

Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

[Vackashken]

Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

[Cairdeas]

I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, don't want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

Please re-read all the stuff you haven't read.

1. Auction House is only an Auction House if it has Blind or Timed Bidding.
2. All Time based Conveniences that the Market Wards lack that "Auction Houses" have can be implemented into the Market Wards without ever mentioning or using an Auction or Auction House.
3. One of the Benefits of an Market Ward over an Auction House is Impulse Buying. Most people do not impulse buy on Auction Houses, they find what they want and leave. With the ward system you can potentially introduce characters to new items they didn't know about or knew about and would want but never considered buying at the time. Or sell things in sets so that when a person searches for one part of the set they can find and buy the other parts directly from you. This is not something you can do with an AH. Each item has to be searched for individually.

[Vackashken]

1. Auction House is only an Auction House if it has Blind or Timed Bidding.

We all know what kind of AH we're talking about.

2. All Time based Conveniences that the Market Wards lack that "Auction Houses" have can be implemented into the Market Wards without ever mentioning or using an Auction or Auction House.

Sure - it wants to do that fine. However, that seems like an astronomical waste of space that could be used for a hell of a lot more useful things then mules standing around like a herd of retarded cattle.

3. One of the Benefits of an Market Ward over an Auction House is Impulse Buying. Most people do not impulse buy on Auction Houses, they find what they want and leave. With the ward system you can potentially introduce characters to new items they didn't know about or knew about and would want but never considered buying at the time. Or sell things in sets so that when a person searches for one part of the set they can find and buy the other parts directly from you. This is not something you can do with an AH. Each item has to be searched for individually.

That benefit is so small it's irrelevant. New items people will know about from the internet and seek out when they are searched for through a search function. I don't know about you but I have never looked at another mule that didn't have a star above his head when forced to go into the cattle pin.

[Cairdeas]

We all know what kind of AH we're talking about.

My point was that I have yet to see any one say the reason they WANT an auction house is because they want Auctions. Instead they complain of Time and Convenience.

[Elexia]

My point was that I have yet to see any one say the reason they WANT an auction house is because they want Auctions. Instead they complain of Time and Convenience.

Yep, when people say "GIMME AH!" They definitely don't mean a real one like say FFIX.

[Cairdeas]

Yep, when people say "GIMME AH!" They definitely don't mean a real one like say FFIX.

Which is why I ask them to explain what features from the Auction House they are missing. They never once mention Blind or Timed Bidding. they mention Time and Convenience items.

They also refuse to make suggestions about how the Market Wards could be improved to remedy the issues they have.

Unlike the people who like the Market Wards who continue to strive to accommodate people who claim they want an auction house.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nd-Convenience.

[Vackashken]

They also refuse to make suggestions about how the Market Wards could be improved to remedy the issues they have.

Maybe because "they" don't want it remedied but scraped completely?

they basically want a glorified NPC shop that sells everything in the game.

Oh, is that what "they" want. Lol, OK