Endgame Summoner -- Garuda

[DNO]

Hello,

Great post but whats the point of using Contagion? was Dots am I transferring to the boss?

[HiirNoivl]

Hello,

Great post but whats the point of using Contagion? was Dots am I transferring to the boss?

Contagion increases the time of you DoTs by 15 secs. So let's say you want to burn down a boss. Cast Raging Strikes to increase your damage and then put your DoTs on and use Contagion. You'll be dealing a lot of damage this way.

Also, in cases like Garuda where she'll be out of range an extended time after Aerial Blast, it keeps your DoTs from falling off.

Hiir, just one little hint kind lady, because you probably did not notice.
A weaker dot will never overwrite a stronger one. So if you have DoT at 2s duration and it had a +40% buff on it, an unbuffed attempt to dot again will simply yield a failure.

:O Seriously??? Woah! I didn't know that. *phew* I was really stressing out about that. The last thing I wanted to do was overwrite my Raging Strike DoTs.... Well, isn't that nice. ^__^ Contagion Raging Strike is even more powerful than I estimated.

Still, don't get in the habit of overwriting DoT! Keep the hints coming please!

[Skies]

Hiir, just one little hint kind lady, because you probably did not notice.
A weaker dot will never overwrite a stronger one. So if you have DoT at 2s duration and it had a +40% buff on it, an unbuffed attempt to dot again will simply yield a failure.

[Sacerdos]

My rough calculations for the DPS loss of not casting Ruin:

You have 24 GCDs in a minute. In a minute, you'll cast 4 Bios, 4 Thunders, 3 Miasmas, 2 Bio 2s, and 2 Shadow Flares, for 15 GCDs total used on DoTs, leaving 9 GCDs for Ruin.

9 Ruins is 720 potency of damage.

4 Thunders and 3 Miasmas flat potency is 4 x 30 + 3 x 20 = 120 + 60 = 180 potency

Total DoT potency a tick is: 40 (Bio) + 35 (Bio2) + 35 (Miasma) + 40 (Thunder) + 25 (Shadow Flare) = 175.

There are 20 DoT ticks a minute, for 3500 DoT potency total over a minute.

3500 DoT potency + 720 Ruin potency + 180 Thunder/Miasma potency = 4400 potency total over a minute, of which ~16.3% is Ruin.

Thus not casting Ruin at all is a loss of ~16% of your DPS.

Edit: Forgot to include Miasma and Thunder's flat damage potency, 30 per thunder and 20 per miasma.

[Mindcl0ud]

My rough calculations for the DPS loss of not casting Ruin:

You have 24 GCDs in a minute. In a minute, you'll cast 4 Bios, 4 Thunders, 3 Miasmas, 2 Bio 2s, and 2 Shadow Flares, for 15 GCDs total used on DoTs, leaving 9 GCDs for Ruin.

9 Ruins is 720 potency of damage.

Total DoT potency a tick is: 40 (Bio) + 35 (Bio2) + 35 (Miasma) + 40 (Thunder) + 25 (Shadow Flare) = 175.

There are 20 DoT ticks a minute, for 3500 DoT potency total over a minute.

3500 DoT potency + 720 Ruin potency = 4220 potency total over a minute, of which ~17% is Ruin.

Thus not casting Ruin at all is a loss of 17% of your DPS.

Good math I l agree with this completely!

[Mindcl0ud]

Forgot to mention that I hate Bane has such a low range. People that don't understand summoner need to learn / realize that if there is an add fight - we can do really good DPS on it, you just need to bring the add to the boss / main target so we can bane spread our dots on to it, and we'll be wrecking it pretty quickly.

As far as contagion - it's to add 15~ seconds to all your dots, making them do more damage with less casts. It doesn't re-calculate the damage. what I mean is this: ( Using rough numbers )
Normal DoT ( Bio ) is ticking for 40 damage - lasts 15 seconds. When Garuda uses contagion, it's doing 40 damage a tick, for 30 seconds instead.

Also, if you use that in junction with Raging Strikes up, they are also doing extra damage, for a longer period of time.

We are starting to work on titan this evening / the next time we are together so I'll let you know how that goes, but so far I've been able to keep track of stuff and still throw in Ruins.

[HiirNoivl]

I disagree for the reasons I posted above. Egi management is the lynchpin to your DPS. If your Pet actions (like Heel) are on cooldown because you're casting Ruin you could have a problem.

You're not going to be casting Ruin nearly that much.

[Sacerdos]

I disagree for the reasons I posted above. Egi management is the lynchpin to your DPS. If your Pet actions (like Heel) are on cooldown because you're casting Ruin you could have a problem.

You're not going to be casting Ruin nearly that much.

You can use Ruin 2 so you can Ruin and use instants in the same GCD.

[HiirNoivl]

If the situation warrants it yes. But why use Ruin II and lose MP when you can use Energy Drain and gain it for more DPS?

I might put it back on later.

Maybe.

[Sacerdos]

If the situation warrants it yes. But why use Ruin II and lose MP when you can use Energy Drain and gain it for more DPS?

I might put it back on later.

Maybe.

You can Ruin 2 and Energy Drain/Fester in the same GCD, since Ruin 2 is instant and Energy Drain/Fester are off the GCD.

Basically:
1. Need to use an off GCD instant in the next 2.5s? Ruin 2
2. Don't need to use an off GCD instant in the next 2.5s? Ruin 1