Leve links: antisocial design

[Shiyo]

What? Leve linking is the complete OPPOSITE of anti-social, it encourages you to play with other people. I pugged 33-50 on my archer doing leve links every reset with complete strangers. I made friends with some people I'd invite more than once, and just made friends I'd talk to as well. I'm sorry you are too anti-social to figure out how to /shout for members or make friends. I'm in a LS and I have done 0 leve links with them, I've picked up 2 people out of 7 when I was shouting for members(who contacted me from my shouts and not via LS), but that's it. I get more people and more things done with complete strangers than with my LS when it comes to leveling. My LS is for end game events and chatting.

Stop it, your complaint is completely wrong. If I level again I'll do 1-23 solo, then 23-50 with COMPLETE strangers. It is not anti-social, you are anti-social or bad at paying attention to the chat, finding people to play with, or something idk. I contantly see shouts for leve parties be it nophica/nanawa 20-25 23-28 25-30 27-33 or BW/halatali 33-38 38-43 43-48 44-49 etc etc. I see many shouts every day, i see ONE RIGHT NOW AS I'M TYPING THIS.

Complaints like this is what leads to instant dungeon queue systems that auto-find people for you and auto-group you, stop requiring to be spoon-fed for things other normal people can do without any problems.

[Majidah]

What? Leve linking is the complete OPPOSITE of anti-social, it encourages you to play with other people. I pugged 33-50 on my archer doing leve links every reset with complete strangers. I made friends with some people I'd invite more than once, and just made friends I'd talk to as well. I'm sorry you are too anti-social to figure out how to /shout for members or make friends. I'm in a LS and I have done 0 leve links with them, I've picked up 2 people out of 7 when I was shouting for members(who contacted me from my shouts and not via LS), but that's it. I get more people and more things done with complete strangers than with my LS when it comes to leveling. My LS is for end game events and chatting.

Stop it, your complaint is completely wrong. If I level again I'll do 1-23 solo, then 23-50 with COMPLETE strangers. It is not anti-social, you are anti-social or bad at paying attention to the chat, finding people to play with, or something idk. I contantly see shouts for leve parties be it nophica/nanawa 20-25 23-28 25-30 27-33 or BW/halatali 33-38 38-43 43-48 44-49 etc etc. I see many shouts every day, i see ONE RIGHT NOW AS I'M TYPING THIS.

Complaints like this is what leads to instant dungeon queue systems that auto-find people for you and auto-group you, stop requiring to be spoon-fed for things other normal people can do without any problems.

Too antisocial to shout? The whole point is I'm social enough to not want to be in a private group, and that I end up shouting for over and hour because of how leve linking is designed (ie. limited in leve quantity).

[viion]

Shiyo it seems you're a bit luckier, its not like this on Besaid.

I agree its a flaw in the design but it works for what it is, but I honestly hope they do not stick with it. Being said once you're capped its out the way. But I still prefer XI's method.

The issue with leves is it keeps narrowing because the maximum link bonus is 4, including yourself, so its you and 3 others, getting u to that 1 party size, and usually finding 3 is not hard if you're in a LS which most are so they do it with them. Then it narrows down more because its "do you have X leve? if not gtfo". Its become very robotic.

[Shiyo]

I think leves are a good design for solo/casual players. My girlfriend logs on for like 2 hours a day and ALWAYS has leves up and usually can't even finish them all. However, leves should not be the main focus for more party oriented playstyles, leves should be used only for solo players. I personally hate leves, I feel they reset too fast and tell me what I SHOULD BE DOING for that day. Oh leves reset? You need to go do leves! Leves didn't reset? You get a free day! Too limiting and blah.

So yeah, leves are badly designed, but at the same time when we have no leves, we basically have nothing to do and our progress in leveling slows down to a snails pace. Leve linking is awesome for duo/trio and stuff, but give us actual content outside of leves for party oriented playstyles please.

I'm sorry if besaid is that bad But leves aren't anti-social, her complaint is wrong, it's humans who are anti-social and cliquey, not the game.

[Majidah]

I'm sorry if besaid is that bad But leves aren't anti-social, her complaint is wrong, it's humans who are anti-social and cliquey, not the game.

Not to get philosophical and argue about human nature, but you are agreeing with me. If the natural trend is to create secluded groups, or cliques as you're refering them as, then a good design would deal with this and make it irrelevant.

[Shiyo]

No design will ever be able to do that, sadly. Humans are humans, they like to find their comfort zones and not move out of it.

I remember playing rift beta with my good friend from another game, and his friend. I met some new friend and was like "hey invite my friend" when we were doing warfronts and they're like 'why?" I explain he's my friend and they keep questioning it, saying they don't know him and don't want to invite him. I'm like "...really? Don't you want to make more friends?" "How do we know if he's bad? or retarded?" blah blah blah. Basically afraid to meet new people, seriously? I hate this -_-

[Majidah]

In my opinion a lot of these "cliques" would be dissolved if they removed the option of retaking failled leves.

[Magiksmurf]

Like a lot of peeps say, most ppl only do leve parties with LS only. Mine does leves as soon as reset hit the clock so if i don't log in at that time i'm screwed for a leve party since random ppl parties are more and more rare.

[Physic]

not really, people do leves with them for exp, but a lot because they were people they knew, and easily coordinated with

[Delsus]

Meeting new people is not against human nature, humans enjoy meeting new people, the calls for a lfg flag show that people want to exp with stragers.

The reason people leve link with linkshell members is because it needs people to have the same leve, and its easier to manage that sort of thing in a linkshell party.

If there was a lfg system that people would want to use and grinding was a decent way to get sp then parties of strangers would be all over.

Also ffxi shows this when you have your flag up you get a party invite from somone you dont know and you accept it, this means the problem is with the system not humans