Leve links: antisocial design

[Majidah]

Meeting new people is not against human nature, humans enjoy meeting new people, the calls for a lfg flag show that people want to exp with stragers.

The reason people leve link with linkshell members is because it needs people to have the same leve, and its easier to manage that sort of thing in a linkshell party.

If there was a lfg system that people would want to use and grinding was a decent way to get sp then parties of strangers would be all over.

Also ffxi shows this when you have your flag up you get a party invite from somone you dont know and you accept it, this means the problem is with the system not humans

In my opinion a lot of these "cliques" would be dissolved if they removed the option of retaking failled leves.

To go on with this idea since people seem to agree, I think it'd be good because it puts the focus on which leve you are doing. People would seek out to do just the leves they can link, and since they wouldn't be able to match all of theirs with their LS they'd be more open to link them with strangers.

[Xatsh]

The antisocial behavior of leves I do not see it much, usually when someone ask to party up on my server they get into a party. If anything the leves where designed to be extremely social even the party recruit feature and teleport system was designed to allow for ease of group for both those with limited and longer playtimes.

The problem is the community is not being social. My linkshell does all leves in house as well, but it is not because of failing the leves to maximize sp or not wanting to play with others. It is out of necessity because people simply refuse to use the search feature to look for a party and just solo everything, so a linkshell centered event schedule where everyone in it gets on and does leves at once guarantees us the ability to party (the only way in my opinion to enjoy the game).

The biggest complaint atm in my linkshell is not lack of content honestly it is lack of partys, but unfortunately I see this as a problem square can't fix it is something the community needs to address, if everyone used the search/recruit feature the game would no longer be anti-social. The only way SE would be able to fix the party problem is to require leve to have 3 people to start or drop all solo sp by 75% and make it like FFXI... both those would cause a mass exodus of casual players though.

[Commat]

Que up at a crystal. When 7 others que a group is formed, ready checked and the group leader is allowed to pick any leve for that camp that is not completed by him. The team finishes and all members are asked if they would like to do another. if members drop the group waits in que for more to join. can be done 8 times a reset for super sp and additionally for regular sp.

Now their is a system in place too reward off hour/casual players full sp for their leves. Also it allows hardcore players the advantage of constant play to help out friends or grind until they pass out.

win win or stupid idea?

[Shiyo]

Que up at a crystal. When 7 others que a group is formed, ready checked and the group leader is allowed to pick any leve for that camp that is not completed by him. The team finishes and all members are asked if they would like to do another. if members drop the group waits in que for more to join. can be done 8 times a reset for super sp and additionally for regular sp.

Now their is a system in place too reward off hour/casual players full sp for their leves. Also it allows hardcore players the advantage of constant play to help out friends or grind until they pass out.

win win or stupid idea?

No this is really anti-social and is basically spoon-feeding people. It's almost as bad as cross-server grouping, but not really since at least you can make friends ^-^. You shouldn't have to automatically group people for people to figure out how to party together :/ What has this world come to?

Just give us FF11's LFG system with improvements(able to search on multiple jobs and stuff).

[Commat]

No this is really anti-social and is basically spoon-feeding people. It's almost as bad as cross-server grouping, but not really since at least you can make friends ^-^. You shouldn't have to automatically group people for people to figure out how to party together :/ What has this world come to?

Just give us FF11's LFG system with improvements(able to search on multiple jobs and stuff).

Listen man, your bright, articulate and always give great feedback. I am not trying to suggest changes to hurt the community. I am just working with what we have.

Which is millions of potential players that expect systems throughout the game world to help them experience content.I really don't want to fight with you because i personally agree with a lot of what you say. I just don't understand how it will help the game grow to tell fans of the genre to suck it up and play a game that will never be viewed by non-players as hardcore but rather as archaic and clunky.

Even the best LFG tool just wont cut it. A que system gives the expectation of success, LFG leaves people with uncertainty. Even if it doesn't make sense that's how it works in practice.

You are all or nothing when it comes to this game which is commendable but not helpful when dealing with concerns many people have.

[Shiyo]

Listen man, your bright, articulate and always give great feedback. I am not trying to suggest changes to hurt the community. I am just working with what we have.

Which is millions of potential players that expect systems throughout the game world to help them experience content.I really don't want to fight with you because i personally agree with a lot of what you say. I just don't understand how it will help the game grow to tell fans of the genre to suck it up and play a game that will never be viewed by non-players as hardcore but rather as archaic and clunky.

Even the best LFG tool just wont cut it. A que system gives the expectation of success, LFG leaves people with uncertainty. Even if it doesn't make sense that's how it works in practice.

You are all or nothing when it comes to this game which is commendable but not helpful when dealing with concerns many people have.

I'm a girl
I'm ok with adding a better LFG system, I just don't want something so easy and thoughtless as instant group makings and instant queues. At least let people have to communicate a bit and be at their PCS/PS3's when they want to join or make a party. I agree this games LFG system is horrible, but FF11's worked, so let's expand on that. Let's not make an automated thing please, that makes the game feel blah. All we need is a proper LFG system that isn't automated and requires human interaction.

Ty for the nice comments! ^-^ I didn't know I was actually helpful o_o

I don't understand why the best LFG tool won't work? It worked fine in FF11. Rift doesn't even have a LFG system, it simply has /level50 chat and I always made parties in less than an hour with that. If people can't form parties properly with a PROPER non-queue up automated LFG tool then I've lost all hope in humanity.

Edit: The main reason I don't want an automated queue system is because when I make parties(Or when I did in FF11, when player skill/class/gear actually mattered lol ;_; ) I would talk to the people before inviting them, making sure they'd be able to fill their role and do what I intended for them to do by inviting them, or I'd invite people I knew did a really good job from earlier parties with me.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

That's what happens when you leave a game world and come back tied with maybe a lower population. Not really an anti-social issue, but an issue regarding player laziness due to not ever using the party recruitment function. That works perfectly fine btw, but people seem to never want to use it anymore.

Also, tied to the laziness of the players, guildleves are not the only way to progress. There are camps with mobs to grind on, if you only look for them, that give just as much SP per hour with a group than if you were with a standard leve group. The community just needs to get off their butts and do some work. It's kind of sad really.

[darkstarpoet1]

well i don't care whether people like it or not. i play with a group i enjoy being around. i have 3 friends outside the game in my ls and a few of their friends outside the game although i have not met their other friends personally. we group for everything being parties, quests, leves, grinding, fishing, and crafting. if part of our group is missing we always shout in ls first to give that option to join in and if nobody joins we put out a public shout and open a party flag.

parties are very group oriented and i enjoy the group i am in. in my group you are always welcome to join when we have space, but i am not telling a friend they can't join for someone i don't know. we use voice chat and have a good time in our group and that will not be changed. if they got rid of leve linking we would just all solo our leves and if they made it where you couldn't retry we would just link up what we could and then solo the rest to maximize time.

[Kirith]

Hm, i actually kinda agree with the OP, regardless of all the dramatic denials in the thread. As someone else said its obviously not anti-social to link leves, but it's sorta anti-social to form statics, which is how most people go about it. Forming statics with my friends was perhaps the best fun in XI for me, however in XIV they feel more like chores, with people trying their best to get over with it quickly and painfully.
I suppose this is not bad in itself, but in any case a better party formation system will probably solve the "issue" in the future.

That said, the true problem are the leves themselves... i really don't ever want to do a leve again and would rather go grind marmots around blackbrush until r50.

Edit: about the que system, it's only viable until this battle and armoury system is in place. It really doesn't matter which class you are so you can que people randomly. However i believe different classes are supposed to make for different party strategies in the end. When the changes take place you will probably want to chose your party members based on their class carefully.

[Evangela]

why don't you just find a new LS?