Online Bullying - A Dev request for a response and discussion

[minihalcyon]

I've heard the League of Legends reference a lot. It's slightly different, if only because players are punished with bans and suspensions for leaving games early. If you get stuck with a team that is harassing you, you can't leave until 20-50 minutes have passed, or you risk punishment.

In FF, it sucks if you're in a dungeon and face this kind of abuse, but you still have the option to leave. I encourage people to do this until there is a competent system in place to deal with abuse. If you queue up with someone who is being a dick, leave - during the fight if you have to. Make sure to explain why: "Persona A is being a douche. I don't tolerate it." Sucks for the others in the group, but if they're not speaking up for you, they might as well condone the behavior.

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

These evil people know this, so they try to encourage you to "do nothing" by saying "deal with it," or "be a man." The more you know.

[Straiya]

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

These evil people know this, so they try to discourage you to "do nothing" by saying "deal with it," or "be a man." The more you know.

Totally going to sig this. Awesome.

[minihalcyon]

Totally going to sig this. Awesome.

:the feels:

[Hawklaser]

The kind of behavior in the OP is unacceptable.

As to those saying for people to get a thicker skin and using the sticks and stones rhyme, it does help as most of the time people like that are seeking attention, however ignoring a problem does not usually solve it, eventually run into one that needs action taken. Two other sayings that are appropriate here are "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" and "It takes a village to raise a child". I hope the meaning of the first one is rather self explanatory, the second one is not so much every one has to take time to raise the child, but the child learns from everyone around them. So in the context of bullying, yes kids need to learn how to deal with it themselves, but think on how they learn to do it?

While that behavior is not the current normal for the DF system, the longer nothing is done about it, the more widespread and accepted it will become.

It's not that some of us can not handle that kind of language, it's more that we do not want it to become the normal accepted behavior.

[Malakhim]

As for the Duty Finder, I've had nothing but positive experiences with it thus far aside from some rather gung ho DDs and tanks on occasion who I have to learn a thing or three, but I usually do it in a non-abrasive, friendly way that keeps group cohesion high. A hard task, because I'm usually the only person actually talking!

I really think a lot of you are missing the point of what some other people have been saying. The people telling you all to "grow a thicker skin" and what not aren't doing it to be "internet tough guys" or to be dismissive; they're saying it for your own good and well-being. Hell, even Jesus Christ told everyone to "turn the other cheek".

In both the on- and off-line realities, there are assholes. There will always be assholes. Hell, just a few weeks ago, some dude told me to blow it out my ass while I was driving, and I heard some other guy just straight up flip out on an older gentleman in front of his(the antagonist's) family. That's not even a fraction of the "assholery" present in the real-world. As a side note, several of you seem to be UK posters. Correct me if I'm wrong(and my information is outdated), but wasn't the house of lords or commons full of grown men screeching at each other at times?

Add the face of anonymity, and you get a whole buffet of asshats who want nothing more than to see the world burn. But then, are all of them really that bad? Maybe they were having a really bad day, and someone who didn't know their role in a game they're playing(everyone is paying a sub to have fun after all) messed up badly, and that was the last straw for that person. We don't know these things. Obviously this is just a hypothetical, and who knows how often it occurs, but the point still stands. Maybe the person just really needs some help with anger management.

I won't take a stance on whether or not we're coddling people far too much(this coming from a guy who was bullied for a period in his life), mostly because I know that like the "internet asshole", many of you are afraid of acknowledging things about yourselves or others that may or may not be true, but I will say this: The best thing you can do, as others have said, is black list 'em, report 'em, and move on with your life. It takes two to tango; don't be their dance partner. And on the internet, EVERY hole has a festering pile of toxic, bile-spewing hate mongers just waiting for a chance to see you squirm, and this is a problem that regardless of how we want to "change the world", will NEVER go away. Many of you cite the law, but the law can't be everywhere all the time.

And really, why are some of you letting your kids online, let alone playing an online game whose ToS ALSO states that you need to be above a certain age to even be playing? That's about as irresponsible as taking them to the theater to see an R-rated movie. I really don't see where you get off complaining that someone else is violating the EULA. It's unfortunate, but sometimes, you gotta say "no", but that's just a side note to the discussion.

[Warlyx]

lol just finished a dungeon , 1 player RAGED so badly to another that was just DISGUSTING ...he left before the last boss so did the whole dungeon for nothing (lol)

screen ...beware really really bad language and racism.

i feel sorry for the poor bard



if ppl find that acceptable , i dont know what to say ......no1 needs to read that from another player ....

[Stebs]

Am I the only one who finds that amount of rage just hilarious?

[Riv]

ah, I see the touchy feely generation has reached the age to play FFXIV.

[Thunderz]

there is no reason for this to be posted on the forums

please report it to a GM

this is pointless drama

[Jess72]

So then the bullies can be entitled to special treatment to continue such behavior? No. There's a system in place already to report harassment, because it is not acceptable. Don't try and tell others it's ok because you might have dealt with some BS in your life.
Fact of the matter is, if you conducted yourself in the same behavior as OP pointed out IRL, you'd be charged with harassment and/or something more.
The net does not give you the right do it without repercussions

Per the Terms of Service, which can be seen here http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1

Which everyone here agreed to when you signed up, now if YOU choose to violate that TOS, it's on YOU, not the "crybaby"
Man up and read what you agreed to when you signed up to play

Next time you quote someone, don't remove half of their post.. that's very selfish.

Rekujen made a very good point and I think you need to read his post again, he never said immature players should be entitled to it.. he said YOU'RE not entitled to special treatment just because you're upset.

Limiting communication is stupid because players that are well-mannered suffer in the end. I can't whisper my friend because there's a limitation on tells, why? because people are mean to each other. Who suffers in the end? we do.. the good players with no bad intentions.

Why make game-breaking changes that affect loyal customers just because there's a few bad apples in the bunch?

It's simple

Block them using your blacklist, this should also prevent them from being queued with you again in the future (something Square should implement)

Vote kicker, this is pretty standard in multi-realm duty finder utilities, even in party groups... why isn't it available?

I'm all for sorting bad people out, with proper methods... NOT limitations.