Duty finder is a disaster

[Zeille]

Strangely enough, I've had nothing but good runs using the duty finder. Titan took my group something like 8 tries, but everyone was civil and tried their best to work together. It ended up being quite exciting when we finally pulled out the win. Had a few wipes in the lower level dungeons, usually because someone was new and didn't understand a mechanic, but we worked it out and all was well.

I've been going in as DD or tank and haven't had a bad experience yet, which makes me wary of doing the lvl 50 dungeons with all the craziness and ragers I see posted around.

[Frothylager]

Welcome to every single team game that ever existed. This has nothing to do with duty finder... Aside from last night it's been perfect.

[Ryuukishi]

I'm only level 28 so I guess I haven't done any of the "hard" dungeons yet, but I've used the duty finder a lot and only ran into people who were friendly and tried their best. Maybe you need to lighten up a bit.

[Yoko_Kurama]

I mentioned this in my thread I posted last night, this duty finder completely and utterly portrays the faults of our cultural differences. In japan it is completely fine to have a system forcing a bunch of random strangers to play without having to get to know each other beforehand because there is a standard common courtesy among fellow human beings in that country. In North America the average person you see walking down the street would look at you like a weirdo if you said "good afternoon" in passing. We go by a screw strangers policy and this duty finder makes that completely visible. The only way for the North American base to group properly is to implement mechanics that cause us to desire or NEED to get to know each other first and decide we have common interests and goals before throwing us into a serious dungeon party with them.

[Kanzer]

So you utilize Duty Finder exactly TWO times, and then come complain on the forum that it's an utter disaster? You're the reason for my migraines...

[Hanabira]

My issue is a combination of things. Youre running with randoms that are probably first timers.. which is fine, but some players are just plain bad. When you try to tell them how to correct it (ie. the gla that never used flash to hold hate on more than 1 target when we are fighting 4) they dont respond. why? because they are paying attention to the BATTLE log. No matter what you do, what you say, you cant get them to switch from the battle tab to the chat tab. this is a SERIOUS problem.

then to further the problem, after getting killed 5 times because the person in the battle log cant get the directions to follow, you cant kick out the player to get a better one! seriously? so if you have someone who doesnt know what they are doing, and not watching the chat log... your only option is to leave yourself? but then it took me over an HOUR to even get into the dungeon! and i dont want to sit through that again all 3 of these issues amplify each other.

This is especially an issue in puzzle-like battles, such as the bomb/slime fight in copperbell. i had to trick our tank into getting blown up and killed by the bomb just so he would stop attacking it. and no matter how many times we screamed, he never got the message because of the battle tab. and of course he swapped back to chat tab to yell at me for killing him even though i spent 15 minutes trying to tell him to stop hitting the bomb

[Opheliona]

That's the risk of the duty finder? I've gotten some bad players, only one of which didn't listen but the other people I've had were willing to learn and listen. What's wrong, however, is people expecting this to be FFXI 2.0; you can't expect everyone to know what they're doing, especially if they've never run the dungeon before.

I do think SE is being a little too "carebear" though, like you can't even use /tells (which is better than say...accidentally embarrassing the bad player in /p), or vote to kick players. They could even have it to where you can't kick players if there's loot up if that's what they're worried about, but I dunno.

[Hanabira]

I've gotten some bad players, only one of which didn't listen but the other people I've had were willing to learn and listen. What's wrong, however, is people expecting this to be FFXI 2.0; you can't expect everyone to know what they're doing, especially if they've never run the dungeon before.

like you can't even use /tells (which is better than say...accidentally embarrassing the bad player in /p), or vote to kick players.

I dont expect everyone to be perfect, my issue isnt with duty finder, its with not having any chat in the battle log, so people who are watching damage and have no idea what they are doing, have no idea that they are causing the problem and there is absolutely no way to correct it. And thanks to being unable to send tells, you cant even send them a tell to chime them to get them to switch. (and the <se.x> effects are way too passive to get someones attention)

As for gear checks, i believe they are absolutely necessary for endgame stuff. you dont have to have perfect gear. but you should not be able to flag for the highest difficulty battles while sitting in levell 15 greens. I dont care how much people say that skill has nothing to do with gear, but when you sit for an hour in duty finder, would you want a guy constantly getting 1 shotted, or not mitigating damage at all, or not having good heals? Or how about demon wall? i havent tried it in ffxiv, but i assume its the same dps race as it always was. what if you were stuck with a drg and a pug but wearing lv.5 weapons? gear check would solve those issues, as long as they arent too strict.

[SmokeyTheSequel]

This was the conversation that took place in the DF I was in.

[ArashiDaigon]

I think I've only met 1 person in DF that wasn't "nice". The thing that was hilarious about it, was in Brayflox died on first boss, the person stated that we all stink and left. We immediately got a replacement, who knew it was DPS. Had 0 problems after that... so I find it funny, because everyone was willing to work together and attempt different things to get better. We beat the dungeon and had a blast doing it, the only downside is the good damage dealerss that were there are not on our server, but there is always light with using Duty Finder.