Quote Originally Posted by Wangstrong View Post
Ah, the ad hominem of "you're just bad at the game if you think the cooldowns are inferior!"
That's not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is attacking the debater rather than their argument. Your argument is explicitly that the WAR CDs are inferior. My argument is that they're only inferior if you try to treat them the same way that you do PAL CDs. My argument counters yours rather than attacking you. If you want to interpret it as an attack upon yourself rather than a recognition that you're an actor within the debated topic and, as such, are relevant to the debate, it's not my fault.



Look, the paladin tanking cooldowns are so vastly superior to warrior's that it's laughable to sit there and staunchly deny it. Paladins have five cooldowns that are all considerably better than the best warrior cooldown.
I'd be curious as to how you can say they're better when I've actually put forth numerous reasons why they actually *are* valuable. The only advantage of the PAL CDs is that they provide great burst survivability but are crippled by low uptimes and long CDs. The major advantage of the WAR CDs is that they *do not* have long CDs nor do they have low comparative uptimes. If you try to treat the WAR CDs the same way you treat the PAL CDs, you're doing it wrong. If you try to compare the WAR CDs to the PAL CDs without taking uptime and CD duration into consideration, you're doing it wrong.

It's such a straw man to plainly presume that warriors are having problems because they're all, every single one of them, "using their cooldowns wrong." Get the fuck out of here.
Once again, that doesn't mean what you think it means. A Straw Man argument is where you set up a weaker version of your opponent's argument so that you can tear it down. This is nothing like that. I'm directly contradicting the assertion that WAR CDs are somehow drastically inferior and using both logic and information to back them up. I'm not creating a weaker version of the argument but rather pointing out the flaw in the method of comparison and then backing up that assertion with data, specifically referencing the uptimes.

Honestly, you really need to learn more about debate and argument if you want to take part in this because it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about, nor are you actually following it (if you're curious, *that* is an ad hominem).