Defiance still lacking in comparison to Shield Oath

[Delorean]

This is not WoW where every class has a different spec that lets it perform the exact same role as another class.

I don't know when the last time you played WoW was, but Warriors/Death Knight mid pack (but DK has niche), Druids are the worst, and Monk/Paladin is indisputably the best. Monks do stupid damage as a tank and have good survivability, Paladins can also do stupid damage and cheese mechanics with bubble.

I mean, I know it's nitpicky, but that really is not an argument. If anything, you are saying the same exact thing that anyone playing World of Warcraft says when a Warrior or Druid complains about their class being bad.

If you want to play a Warrior, then play a Warrior. People can't take something to a raid group that they don't have.

I watched a group do it by clearing the first couple of trash pulls then training from there... It only takes a few mins longer.

thats what i did

[Sephirah]

I mean, I know it's nitpicky, but that really is not an argument. If anything, you are saying the same exact thing that anyone playing World of Warcraft says when a Warrior or Druid complains about their class being bad.

If you want to play a Warrior, then play a Warrior. People can't take something to a raid group that they don't have.

What are you talking about, I'm not complaining about any class being bad, I like how pld and war currently are. And my comment about WoW was not related to balance, it was related to the fact that they design their classes to be interchangable, you can be a tank/heal/dps regardless of your class, and that simply doesn't work here. You can't be a dps or heal paladin, you can only be a tank, that's the only thing it can do, and therefore it needs to do it well, hence the higher mitigation.