Quote Originally Posted by Coramac View Post
The inherent problem with this combo and the method you are proposing using is that using Inner Beast results in the loss of the incoming heal buff. Running an average, based on this combo, I'm showing your incoming healing running at .07875 which is a reduction of roughly 50%. Inner Beast is healing for 1000, then the break point for Inner Beast being a positive factor is ~12500 heals from healer (double it for 2000). As I said, I'm not end game, so I don't know how this compares. I expect that Inner Beast is going to be better utilized similar to a CD ability.
Well I am more a fan of simple math. So here is my perspective.
Lets say on average a healer heals you for 1000 health and spams it every 3 seconds. That comes to 20,000 HPR (HP recovery) a minute. 15% of 20,000 is 3000.

Now lets just say you hit Inner Beast for 200 damage. That is 600 health naked. Times 3 that is 1800 HPR. A loss of 1200.

Lets say you have Maim/Storm's Eye up. That 600 becomes 780 or 2340 HPR for a loss of 660.

Now you factor in crits and the 50% bonus from Berserk and well that is when Inner Beast starts showing positive results. So loosing that 15% boost to healing is not the death sentence people make it out to be. Now using raw naked Inner Beasts... not the most productive thing. But even at the low end of the damage spectrum if you have Maim and Storm's Eye up the health lost can be worth it as the spike in damage also means a spike in hate. And the more hate you secure the more rotations you can fill in your Storm's Path combo for added healing.

But lets face it your healer is not going to be spamming cures every 3 seconds and you're not going to be popping off Inner Beasts every 15-20 seconds. I just gave that rotation as an example of of a WAR was capable of. If I had to explain how a WAR is meant to tank, I would have to say the closest example that comes to mind is how a matador 'tanks' a bull. Your goal is to get as close as possible to the danger of defeat and avoid it by as small a margin as possible. In order for this to work the tank needs to have a lot of trust in the healer and the healer a lot of trust in the tank.

What happens though is in PUG's that trust is not always there. Healers aren't always aware of WAR's mechanics or their specific rotation. So when a tank gets to half health they'll use Inner Beast and the healer will hit them with a Cure bomb. And A LOT of that 'healing' is wasted as any healing past max hp is wasted health. And as this goes on the WAR is wasting stacks and the healer is wasting MP and the over all efficiency gets flushed down the toilet.

This is where again. The strongest skill a tank can use comes in to play. Communication! Tell your healers your comfort zones. Like only heal me when I get to half health, or If you see me use Internal Release or Berserk don't worry about healing me because I'm going to use Inner Beast soon after. Let them know if they need to take a break for a turn and you have V stacks of wrath they can let your health dip a little lower than usual. Whatever it is your preferences are just let them know. Because what kills warrior is not the healing we fail to get while our health is low its the healing that is wasted when our health is high.

And to the OP. You seem to obviously prefer tanking via mitigation. Which is not a bad thing... its just not what WAR does. Rather than crying to make WAR more like PLD, why not save yourself the headache and level PLD.

As you said yourself in another post. WAR is a viable tank. Is it the best tank for all situations? No. Is PLD the best tank for all situations? No. There is going to be some content that favor a PLD's skill set and there will be others that favor WAR. They are different tanks with different strengths and suit different playstyles. WAR suits mine but from the way you go on about much better PLD is, maybe PLD suits your playstyle better. And it might not be a case of WAR not being compatible with the content but simply WAR not being compatible with what you want in a tanking class.