Gold Sellers

[Jentaru]

I took my complaints to the extreme and was temp-banned for kicking up too much crap about RMT policy neglect. They aren't going to do anything about RMT until it seriously begins affecting their business, which you think it would have already done.

i suggest players start a formal lawsuit against SE for negligence on their TOS. we are after all obligated to hold them to their end.

[Faelandaea]

i suggest players start a formal lawsuit against SE for negligence on their TOS. we are after all obligated to hold them to their end.

If they were an American company that would be possible. TOS is not enforceable anywhere else in the world. Most of the countries where people play FFXIV - I doubt they would even know what "law" or "lawsuit" means unless they Googled for an hour or so.

[moudoka]

I got a forum ban too. All you gotta do is go to a certain video playing website, and you can literally look up all the mass hacks, spambots, minerbots, and the rest. They don't even bother hiding it. So I got a temp ban...because I dared point out that SE is failing COMPLETELY on EVERY level to stop the bots. I've never seen a pay to play MMO fail so hard when dealing with bots, hacks, and third party programs like this game does.

[Zedd702]

I got a forum ban too. All you gotta do is go to a certain video playing website, and you can literally look up all the mass hacks, spambots, minerbots, and the rest. They don't even bother hiding it. So I got a temp ban...because I dared point out that SE is failing COMPLETELY on EVERY level to stop the bots. I've never seen a pay to play MMO fail so hard when dealing with bots, hacks, and third party programs like this game does.

If there is one thing that would scream SE IS permitting RMT on the secret end, this quote would be it.

I seriously and strongly believe now that there are some sites that they ban because they are not making revenue from them, but the ones they do allow are ones they are actually getting something from... There is no reason for them to do anything about RMT as there are a select group that does on behalf of SE... Like I said before many many many many times over is this is a simple situation to fix, but they've not lifted a single friggin finger to do anything about it. It's literally infuriating. I reiterate my stance before. I couldn't give a flying fuck if anyone else buys gil from these pricks, I just don't want to be incon-fucking-venienced by these assholes. Please give players a friggin option to silence these bastards!

ie: an option to BLACKLIST THE ACCOUNT CONNECTED TO THE CHARACTER....

Sincerely,

A pissed off PAYING customer.

[OlyverW]

The gil sellers even breached into the gold saucer which was supposed to be a place of fun :/

[Dererk]

But the ones at most fault are the people who are buying gil they making it so the rmts have a reason to keep doing it and they make a lot of money doing it.

It doesn't matter if it's just data I say SE just sue the biggest rmt site that's selling gil make an example of them its their product they broke the TOS and I'm sure there's a law some where that can justify this because I see rmts as nothing but hackers.

[Zedd702]

But the ones at most fault are the people who are buying gil they making it so the rmts have a reason to keep doing it and they make a lot of money doing it.

It doesn't matter if it's just data I say SE just sue the biggest rmt site that's selling gil make an example of them its their product they broke the TOS and I'm sure there's a law some where that can justify this because I see rmts as nothing but hackers.

Incorrect. The ones at-fault are the ones responsible for enforcing the ToS regarding RMT...

I'm sorry but with as high as a volume this game has with gil spammers, I seriously feel, outside of their neglect to do anything about them, that SE is allowing a select few sites to do this for them, as if SE sold the gil on Mogstation directly it would immediately break the game and many players would leave...

[Faelandaea]

You guys keep mentioning "law" You DO realize that laws are different in other countries, right? You can;t sue RMT unless they are in a jurisdiction that would actually recognize it. And this has to be done on multiple levels:

- Easiest if the Plaintiff and Defendant are in the SAME country AND that country enforces TOS recognition
- Harder if the suit is international, even if both countries recognize TOS as something that can be sued over
- Bloody impossible if international and the country has no laws regarding intellectual property rights or TOS.

Gil sellers and spammers are ALWAYS in countries where they can't be touched. The MOST that can POSSIBLY happen is they get banned from the game, to which they will just start a new account and keep on botting. And going after buyers? Same result - most you can do is ban them, but these are people with money, and money is power. They'll just turn around, and do the same thing as the botters - make a new account and buy their way to the top. Most people that buy gil also live in places where they cant be touched - just banned from the game.

The one solution I have not seen in this thread which might hit the sellers and buyers - ban entire country IP ranges. Do not let IP addresses from countries that do not cooperate with certain laws play. No one that is legitimate lives in those countries anyway so it would be no loss to the game. Oh wait . . . enter another technicality - proxy programs which would allow them to log on anyway masking themselves as residents of legitimate countries. Ah well, but I'd ban all those IP ranges anyway - just to make the botters work a little harder for their connections. and the buyers work harder for those same connections.

Long story short - those of you saying "sue the gil companies" obviously grew up and only have lived in places like the United States or UK where people actually sue each other over everything. Most other areas of the world have bigger problems to deal with than some game company issues.

[moudoka]

Well, judging by the tells I've gotten from the hundreds upon hundreds of bots, there is a prime location for their operation: China. Some of the bot creators are European, which if I'm not mistaken, do honor these sort of laws. Of those from Europe, most of them are Eastern European, like Romania and the like. Broad, blanket bans are like taking a hammer to a sewing needle.
As I've suggested, and oft demanded, have in-game GMs. People paid by SE, to literally roam the game worlds. They get spammed, bam, instant ban. As such, while typing this short response, I've gotten four tells, all spamming for the SAME website. Honestly, if these mass tells are going out, identify key phrases, words, and ban. I would put up the words, but I'd get banned, because banning a paying customer is far preferable to these people than dealing with the greater problem with any sense.