Why did they stop talking since boards came up?

[Alcide]

I honestly believe most forumites will only be happy if the game gets cancelled. Just so they can beat their chests and scream I told you so.

The devs don't owe any of us anything. You can scream for more information all you like but at the end of the day - who are you? Why do you think you are so important that your demands should be met.

Stop acting like a child and be patient. If that is too much for you then quit playing and go do something else.

And here you're wrong
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had fansite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

[Kallera]

And here you're wrong
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had funsite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

They have, the thing is they don't come here to hear your bellyaching, they don't come here for you act like a 2nd hand manager who's knowledge of game development may or may not be existent. They came for your ideas, they can manage the other two on their own.

[Alcide]

They have, the thing is they don't come here to hear your bellyaching, they don't come here for you act like a 2nd hand manager who's knowledge of game development may or may not be existent. They came for your ideas, they can manage the other two on their own.

Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

HAHAHAHAHAHA! you sad little person. THEY DON'T OWE US ANYTHING.

They have simply given us a means of communication, with them and each other. You honestly think that because they have their own forum they are obliged to list and give details of every little thing they are working on?

We are currently playing a free-to-play MMO. We all dropped the money for the game (or got a pass from a friend) and I believe that the playtime we have had already easily accounts for that.

Cry on little children, cry on.

Oh dear, you shouldn't really say anything if you're just gonna repeat the same thing over and over just adding some insults randomly.
Easy thing, they said they wanted to communicate with us (don't give me the hassle to have to look for that letter to quote it) are they doing it? No. Writing informations right when the server goes down is not communicating. Writing random names of future features without any explaination is not communicating. Ignoring the people on the forums getting hyped up is not communicating. We don't pretend to know every single detail, I would be really greatful if we had just a vague idea on what is gonna come.
You say you are willing to do something, you have to do it, end of the discussion.

[Chezen]

Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

Well... if Yoshi-P doesn't have a pretty clear idea on what he wants to do by now, then the game really is in trouble. If you have given your suggestions as you said, then you have already done what he asked for. Time to sit and wait so he can get it finished. After it's released, I'm sure he would like to have our feedback.

[Ava]

Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

I highly doubt SE reads these forums and takes ideas directly. What likely happens is Yoshi-P has a vision for the future of the game, he has a plan and he's going to more or less stick strictly to that plan. We can't change that. However, by posting our thoughts on what we already have, and what we want in the future, he can take that vision and use our posts as inspiration for the actual implementation of the vision.

We all have ideas for improvements for the game, some get responses others do not. But I am sure a vast majority of them are at the very least read. Our ideas will fuel the inspiration for when Yoshi-P implements his vision.

An example would be classes right now. We all have ideas for improving the classes that we play and while we all know the entire battle system is changing, and maybe even the class system, Yoshi-P can still be inspired by our wishes. If you think something is too powerful, then post it. If Drain sucks, tell them why. Even if Drain is removed or redesigned entirely, they can use your suggestion elsewhere in the game. Maybe your suggestion to improve Drain can help improve Siphon MP, or other spells, whatever they may be.

Just because we don't know all of the changes they plan to make doesn't nullify the value of feedback. It can very much be used as inspiration, you're not going to change his vision anyways.

[Jamel-Irief]

Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?

I agree. I'm not demanding anything, I don't think they owe me anything, but how am I supposed to give feedback on i.e. Companies when I have no clue what they are about. I thought these forums (or is it fora?) was about players giving feedback on specific dev information. If Companies are so far down the road that giving specific info to us is impossible, the Grand Companies page seems premature.

Still excited about 1.17a though!

[PennywisE]

And here you're wrong
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had funsite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! you sad little person. THEY DON'T OWE US ANYTHING.

They have simply given us a means of communication, with them and each other. You honestly think that because they have their own forum they are obliged to list and give details of every little thing they are working on?

We are currently playing a free-to-play MMO. We all dropped the money for the game (or got a pass from a friend) and I believe that the playtime we have had already easily accounts for that.

Cry on little children, cry on.

[Chezen]

Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?

How can you give feedback at all on something not even released? It's hard to give good feedback on something if you never actually tried it. When Yoshi-P does want opinions on just an idea, he asks.

Edit: btw, when something is released, I haven't seen much feedback on it. Just complaints on what's not released. For instance, do people like the new toggles and mob level displays? I never saw a thread on it.