Preparing for Battle/Job system

[Cairdeas]

The Armoury System is about weapons yes, but each weapon class is just that A Weapon.

It isn't like the Role Classes from WoW where a Hunter is a Ranged DPS.

in XIV an Archer is not a Ranged DPS. Its simply someone who uses a Bow. Any skills compatible with using a Bow can be used by the Archer. Even Healing.

The thing I would like to see is more Weapon Individuality when using Cross Weapon Skills.

For Instance.

If an Archer uses "Cure" instead of them just casting the magic spell cure, They could Cast the magic into an Arrow and shoot the target they are trying to Cure. In mid air the Arrow turns into the spell and when it hits its target that user is Cured.

[Kallera]

The Armoury System is about weapons yes, but each weapon class is just that A Weapon.

It isn't like the Role Classes from WoW where a Hunter is a Ranged DPS.

in XIV an Archer is not a Ranged DPS. Its simply someone who uses a Bow. Any skills compatible with using a Bow can be used by the Archer. Even Healing.

The thing I would like to see is more Weapon Individuality when using Cross Weapon Skills.

For Instance.

If an Archer uses "Cure" instead of them just casting the magic spell cure, They could Cast the magic into an Arrow and shoot the target they are trying to Cure. In mid air the Arrow turns into the spell and when it hits its target that user is Cured.

In other words, you'd be "getting your shots". Or at least "friendly fire". :3

[Xeno]

The Armoury System is about weapons yes, but each weapon class is just that A Weapon.

It isn't like the Role Classes from WoW where a Hunter is a Ranged DPS.

in XIV an Archer is not a Ranged DPS. Its simply someone who uses a Bow. Any skills compatible with using a Bow can be used by the Archer. Even Healing.

The thing I would like to see is more Weapon Individuality when using Cross Weapon Skills.

For Instance.

If an Archer uses "Cure" instead of them just casting the magic spell cure, They could Cast the magic into an Arrow and shoot the target they are trying to Cure. In mid air the Arrow turns into the spell and when it hits its target that user is Cured.

...and you /facepalmed to me? If you're a gladiator do you just stab your friends to heal them?

[Cairdeas]

...and you /facepalmed to me? If you're a gladiator do you just stab your friends to heal them?

It would be different for each weapon for the instance of Marauder they could strike the ground near the target and the spells bursts out from under them to hit them.

[Jinko]

It would be different for each weapon for the instance of Marauder they could strike the ground near the target and the spells bursts out from under them to hit them.

But why would you want to make a DD class heal the party, you are going to end up with a party full of MRD wil high DD and def and capable of healing one another, where does the conjurer fit into this party or another class for that matter ?

Nothing wrong with a Conjurer/Thief but it probably wouldn't be the best combination kind of like WAR/WHM.

Gladiator - Paladin = Healing magic and Enmity skills.
Gladiator - Swordsman = Pure DD and a skill to allow equipping of Great Swords.

[Cairdeas]

But why would you want to make a DD class heal the party, you are going to end up with a class full of MRD wil high DD and def and capable of healing one another, where does the conjurer fit into this party or another class for that matter ?

I'm not saying MAKE the Marauder a healer. But the choice should be there if someone wants it. I was just making an example of how they could make each Weapon "Use" cross weapon skills.

[Kallera]

I'm not saying MAKE the Marauder a healer. But the choice should be there if someone wants it. I was just making an example of how they could make each Weapon "Use" cross weapon skills.

And no one ever said make the marauder as good a healer either. For example, perhaps the fact that he's using a non magical tool to channel his power, keeps him from making aoe casts, or the spells is not as powerful, even if his stats were like the conjurer's.

Each weapon is a tool, but each of them have their own strentghs and weaknesses.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

But why would you want to make a DD class heal the party, you are going to end up with a party full of MRD wil high DD and def and capable of healing one another, where does the conjurer fit into this party or another class for that matter ?

The survivability needs to be there. Without it, you could very well just cock block most melee classes to progress unless they find a healer to group with. The survivability could be less effective, actually, that is the case now. However, removing it would be more of a head ache to the melee who want to progress or farm mobs solo.

It should be more about balancing the skills than taking them out completely. I think your suggestion, pardon me for saying, is irrational and not very thought out.

[Jinko]

Problem is many are looking at this from the perspective of FF11, lets look at it from the perspective of pretty much any other MMO or RPG out there, if you are a Ranger in Rift you don't get to heal, if you are a Hunter in WoW you don't get to heal, does it make the class any less entertaining no it means you are specialised at what you do.

The survivability needs to be there. Without it, you could very well just cock block most melee classes to progress unless they find a healer to group with. The survivability could be less effective, actually, that is the case now. However, removing it would be more of a head ache to the melee who want to progress or farm mobs solo.

I'm all for solo play, but at the end of the day MMO's are community games and you're supposed to play them together, your post just proves my point in that if you are unable to survive on your own you need to get help.

[Cairdeas]

Problem is many are looking at this from the perspective of FF11, lets look at it from the perspective of pretty much any other MMO or RPG out there, if you are a Ranger in Rift you don't get to heal, if you are a Hunter in WoW you don't get to heal, does it make the class any less entertaining no it means you are specialised at what you do.

In Wow you are a CLASS defined by your choice of Role.

In XIV your a Character defined by your EQUIPPED SKILLS. Your Weapon is just how you learn and use them.

The JOB System would implement Assigned ROLES for a user by enhancing the abilities needed by the CHARACTER to perform said Role.