Quote Originally Posted by Ava View Post
Some guilds do insist on their members using boss mods in other games. But if you're a known good player, most guilds won't question your decision not to use them. You can argue that boss mods might be insulting to people if they're having a hard time learning an encounter, but this is a team game.
Yes, but as much as it is a team game, how can you learn an encounter without actually being given a chance to learn it, even if it means making mistakes? Mistakes are exactly how you learn. I won't claim to be a known good player at all, I play for fun and I'm very social when in a party compared to most people (particularly if it involves my friends). Sometimes we all died, but we laughed about it and we got back up again and carried on where we left off.
You want everyone on your team to be as well equipped as the others, if you have someone that keeps wiping the raid because they aren't anticipating that super attack that kills everyone then you'll have to find a solution. If you've already tried explaining it to them, the next step is to either kick them or ask them to download boss mods.
Tell them when it's happening. I can understand you kicking them if they never learn even if you tell them, though, because obviously that means even if the mod was not there for anyone in the party, they still would not react to your communication.
In this situation, is it not wrong? It could offend people, and that may be where a lot of the debate comes from, but let's be honest, who wants to be one of the 7 people doing things right but that 8th person just keeps screwing things up for everyone?
I agree if they keep screwing up - but only if you are still communicating effectively with them. If you are not communicating effectively with them, if they are not given another chance after screwing up on their first or second attempt, then it does become a concern.

Basically, I just hope that everyone is on the same level regardless of what mods - if any - they use. You seem to be of the opinion that even with those mods, people will still communicate and that people should still require skill, and therefore the mods will not cause any issues. If that's the case, I hope what you believe turns out to be true, because it sounds fine.

I hope you understand the worry of others and where it's coming from, though. Particularly relatively inexperienced people like myself - my experience in modern MMO's is restricted to FFXI, and I only got to somewhere around level 40 or so in that.