SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Alazier]

Yes this was a huge fail for SE imo. Summoners dont feel like Summoners. It feels more like a Red Mage/ Necromancer hybrid with a genie pet.

[Dwill]

Yes this was a huge fail for SE imo. Summoners dont feel like Summoners. It feels more like a Red Mage/ Necromancer hybrid with a genie pet.

You mean it was a huge fail for a vocal minority ? The majority of the people who play summoners are entirely fine with how it works.

How hard is it to grasp that the concept of a summoner that people see in a single player game just can't be applied in an MMORPG ?

[Spellbinder]

You mean it was a huge fail for a vocal minority ? The majority of the people who play summoners are entirely fine with how it works.

How hard is it to grasp that the concept of a summoner that people see in a single player game just can't be applied in an MMORPG ?

To be fair, not everyone wants what was in the single player games, nor do they necessarily want what was in Final Fantasy 11 (because that's what everyone immediately assumes).

[Akiza]

You mean it was a huge fail for a vocal minority ? The majority of the people who play summoners are entirely fine with how it works.

How hard is it to grasp that the concept of a summoner that people see in a single player game just can't be applied in an MMORPG ?

Vocal minority you mean silent majority because a majority of people don't think the Summoner feels like a Summoner they either think it plays like a WOW Warlock, a WOW hunter with magic attacks or a Red Mage/Necromancer hybrid with a pet not a Summoner.
Final Fantasy XII already showed that summons can be smaller and effective with Espers so why didn't Square Enix just scale the Primals down to the size of the tallest male Roegadyn instead of creating a whole new design for the Summoner's Pet.

[Exstal]

I don't think he meant silent majority. I think he meant exactly what he said.

[Dwill]

Vocal minority you mean silent majority because a majority of people don't think the Summoner feels like a Summoner they either think it plays like a WOW Warlock, a WOW hunter with magic attacks or a Red Mage/Necromancer hybrid with a pet not a Summoner.

And how would you know how the MAJORITY, which means 51%+ of the summoner playbase think like you ? You can barely get 2-3 players to think like you on this forum which is <10% of the actual player base (being extremely generous, it's probably much lower) who posts.

I don't think he meant silent majority. I think he meant exactly what he said.

Pretty much.

[Sen_Terrechant]

SE please close this thread.

PLEASE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD

[Akiza]

And how would you know how the MAJORITY, which means 51%+ of the summoner playbase think like you ? You can barely get 2-3 players to think like you on this forum which is <10% of the actual player base (being extremely generous, it's probably much lower) who posts.



Pretty much.

Do you have stats to back up your claim or a in game poll that suggest players are fine with the Summoner or are just waiting for square to make changes to the pet. The majority of players don't post in forums and I'm sure In have more than 3 people that agree with me since people make new forums about changing the Summoner every other week. There is a reason Black Mages outnumber Summoners 6:1 and it has nothing to do with damage it has to do with the pet design and appearance.

[Ryel]

I'll bite.. I'm one of those people that aren't especially happy with the design choices they've made with SMN so far to be honest.

That isn't to say it's a broken or non-functional job because mechanically it works just fine, however to me personally it doesn't really feel like a Summoner. It does feel very much like Affliction Warlock from WoW which is kind of Ironic because i feel Demonology Warlock would have actually translated better to SMN in this game, Metamorphosis -> Esper form etc.

Something like this but obviously based on current Egi: http://www.wowwiki.com/Metamorphosis

See also: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E..._Fantasy_VI%29

And: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Terra_Branford

As for changes / additions / anything else that isn't really my place to say as it is SMN is a great DoT DPS class just one that doesn't bring to mind the images of the traditional Final Fantasy summoner.

[Wolf_Shay]

Do you have stats to back up your claim or a in game poll that suggest players are fine with the Summoner or are just waiting for square to make changes to the pet. The majority of players don't post in forums and I'm sure In have more than 3 people that agree with me since people make new forums about changing the Summoner every other week. There is a reason Black Mages outnumber Summoners 6:1 and it has nothing to do with damage it has to do with the pet design and appearance.

Whoa. Hold the phone here. Darlin, you've been trying to put a star peg that you call a square peg in a round hole because you think it would be prettier and should fit, but refuse to show us the board or the peg you're trying to fit, swearing up and down that it would fit. We've demanded on multiple occasions that you show us your statistics, but you've adamantly refused at every turn. So either show your hand or leave the table, because I'm calling your bluff here.