SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Themis]

Well how would you change the way the summoner would work to make the class more entertaining?

By making it so that you summoned the actual primals, and you'd disappear and become your "pet" and control it's every movement. And SMN would have no DoTs, just big attacks that do big damage.

That's the answer that some would give, or along those lines.

Personally, I find it's current implementation entertaining and perfectly fine given the lore behind the Job (and that's what matters most).

What does need to be done, is a bit more balancing between the choice of egi, especially when more are added. That, and they need to be a little more sturdy or much more easily supported by the summoner themselves. Damage buffs are all well and good, but really, Spur should have been a defensive/healing type of ability rather than a second damage buff, I think. A little more flexibility is something that would make the class more interesting, because variety is always nice.

If I was to suggest something, though, I'd have liked something a little different to a 5min CD "signature" attack and something more along the lines of building up your egi to unleash that attack (and said attack actually doing something a little more than a bit of damage). Also more abilities on egi. 4 at lv50 is a little lacking, especially when one is simply a GCD type attack. It would make using a controller a lot more cumbersome, but adapting to it just takes time.

[Bigcat9715]

By making it so that you summoned the actual primals, and you'd disappear and become your "pet" and control it's every movement. And SMN would have no DoTs, just big attacks that do big damage.

Thats not a bad idea, but there's no downside to it. Your character is basically unbeatable, because they disappear but the summon is on the field. Maybe if they make it so that the summoner is still there, but lifeless and you have to switch back and forth to keep your summoner safe and do damage.

[Dwill]

Well how would you change the way the summoner would work to make the class more entertaining?

The only thing that needs to be done at this point is the balance between Egis instead of Garuda being the go-to 99% of the time. The rest is just fine and goes along with the lore of Eorzea. The real Primals are too powerful to be controlled by mere mortals and if you actually follow the story line cannot be summoned at will by only one person.

Sorry but that idea of using the real Primals as got to die. It will not happen.

yes finally

Once you have a single shred of clue about design and balance, your opinion on the class will matter. Until then, there could be hundreds like you, it wouldn't matter.

[Akiza]

The only thing that needs to be done at this point is the balance between Egis instead of Garuda being the go-to 99% of the time. The rest is just fine and goes along with the lore of Eorzea. The real Primals are too powerful to be controlled by mere mortals and if you actually follow the story line cannot be summoned at will by only one person.

Sorry but that idea of using the real Primals as got to die. It will not happen.

Not true since right now in the story line the Summoner has just learned the art of summoning and that's why they can only summon the Egis and as the story line continues the Summoner will eventually master the art of summoning and be able to summon the Primals.

Once you have a single shred of clue about design and balance, your opinion on the class will matter. Until then, there could be hundreds like you, it wouldn't matter.

Doesn't explain the Egis ridiculous appearance, poor design and implementation. Again I'm not saying the Summoner itself is bad because I think they did a great job on the Summoner itself but my main complaint are with the Egis they simply suck on the appearance, design and implementation level.

[Bigcat9715]

The only thing that needs to be done at this point is the balance between Egis instead of Garuda being the go-to 99% of the time. The rest is just fine and goes along with the lore of Eorzea. The real Primals are too powerful to be controlled by mere mortals and if you actually follow the story line cannot be summoned at will by only one person.

Sorry but that idea of using the real Primals as got to die. It will not happen.

I was saying that you should control a incomplete version thats looks like a deform primal, but is alot bigger then the egi's (about similar height to a few races) and they look like the designers actually put some work into making them. Im not saying look like and be as big as the real primals thats stupid.

[Sen_Terrechant]

I think we just found a second Azika...

[Danbo05]

[Seoulstar]

No idea why I laughed so much at this lol

[Akiza]

I think we just found a second Azika...

yes finally

[Dwill]

Not true since right now in the story line the Summoner has just learned the art of summoning and that's why they can only summon the Egis and as the story line continues the Summoner will eventually master the art of summoning and be able to summon the Primals.

Your little fantasy of controlling the primals have nothing to do with summoner story line whatsoever. I highly suggest you go rewatch the cutscene from the summoner story line and go reread the lore because it is quite apparent that you didn't pay attention whatsoever.