SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Exstal]

sorry, shouldn't have mentioned sch in smn topic. I don't play sch because it's a pet class and it shouldn't be. Scholar having a fairy is as reasonable as Monk having a fairy, or pretty much any random person walking around with a fairy. The only reason Sch has a fairy is to fit into the class > job dynamic they forced themselves into.

Why? Scholar has a very low identity. So SE had lots of room to play

[OmegaNovaios]

Why? Scholar has a very low identity. So SE had lots of room to play

SCH from FFXI that was 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM with a stance to switch between both was way cooler than healer with pet. Not to be confused with RDM which was 1/3 WHM, 1/3 BLM, and 1/3 WAR. Not saying we should recreate FFXI, but the concept FFXI had for SCH was more fun IMO and now I doubt we will see any job in FFXIV released in the future that will resemble such a build that is exactly 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM that can truly fulfill both roles by switching stances.

[YanderePrincess]

SCH from FFXI that was 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM with a stance to switch between both was way cooler than healer with pet. Not to be confused with RDM which was 1/3 WHM, 1/3 BLM, and 1/3 WAR. Not saying we should recreate FFXI, but the concept FFXI had for SCH was more fun IMO and now I doubt we will see any job in FFXIV released in the future that will resemble such a build that is exactly 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM that can truly fulfill both roles by switching stances.

Such a class would -never- fit into the role dynamic of FFXIV period. It has nothing to do with what SCH was made into for FFXIV. Jobs being able to fill two different roles and switch completely on the fly even mid-dungeon due to not requiring an actual class change would completely screw over the entire dynamic. It was okay in FFXI because FFXI didn't have a set role for each job.

[Exstal]

SCH from FFXI that was 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM with a stance to switch between both was way cooler than healer with pet. Not to be confused with RDM which was 1/3 WHM, 1/3 BLM, and 1/3 WAR. Not saying we should recreate FFXI, but the concept FFXI had for SCH was more fun IMO and now I doubt we will see any job in FFXIV released in the future that will resemble such a build that is exactly 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM that can truly fulfill both roles by switching stances.

So, because SCH had that design in FFXI, it should always follow that design? How about Bard in FFXIV and how it's nothing like Bard from old FF games? As I said, there is no identity for SCH outside of the ability to use Scan. They could do what they want.

[Sleigh]

SCH from FFXI that was 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM with a stance to switch between both was way cooler than healer with pet. Not to be confused with RDM which was 1/3 WHM, 1/3 BLM, and 1/3 WAR. Not saying we should recreate FFXI, but the concept FFXI had for SCH was more fun IMO and now I doubt we will see any job in FFXIV released in the future that will resemble such a build that is exactly 1/2 WHM and 1/2 BLM that can truly fulfill both roles by switching stances.

SCH is far, far, far from just a healer with a pet. Much closer to back-up DPS with the ability to heal super well. It turns out that in every turn, you can have your SCH DPS 90% of the time, including T9. So, it actually is half healer half DPS with a stance switch between both.

And people say we don't have hybrid jobs yet!

[Akiza]

Maybe they'll give us more detailed and realistic Egis that resemble the Primals and are 1.5x larger when level cap is raised.

[Akiza]

To rebalance the Egis they should do the following
Ifrit Egi- remove radiant shield and replace with explosive charge. Also they should increase his single target attack strength and hp
Titan Egi- increase hp and defense as well as his ability to hold aggro and make him an aoe tank type pet.
Garuda Egi - give her an aoe circle of attack with massive nuke abilities making her a ranged nuke caster type pet.
Leviathan -give him a single target nuke with small aoe radius and a controller type pet
Ramuh - give him paralyze and stun abilities and make him a ranged caster type pet.
Shiva - give her heavy and slow abilities and make her a single target tank type pet.

[AmyNeudaiz]

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Stating your opinion as though it were fact does not make you more right. I rather enjoy Sch and the story line makes it perfectly clear why you have a fairy. They didn't give it a fairy because they were stuck - they could of given Conjurer the Sch soul crystal and no pet but they gave it to Arcanist because they had a vision for Sch in FFXIV and it was a damn good one.
Just because they didn't copy XI doesn't mean it's wrong. If they made even half the changes suggested in this thread I'd just quit this game outright as would many many Scholar players. Sch is the only job I don't get bored of and I don't want that to change because of XI players like yourself

[Alenore]

the devs painted themselves into a corner with the class>job dynamic, it's given them very little room for creativity. They started with an affliction mage class with a pet that had to turn into an affliction based mage job with a pet and a similar type healer with a pet. It ruined smn cuz it shouldn't be so DOT heavy AND ruined sch, cuz sch shouldn't even have a pet to begin with.

No. Players chose to keep the armoury system, because it's enjoyable. They decided to make SMN a dot class because that's how they decided it'd be the best.
They could have made it from THM, but face it : people would complain just as much as now.

Maybe they'll give us more detailed and realistic Egis that resemble the Primals and are 1.5x larger when level cap is raised.

Yaaay, larger egis, so you couldn't even see when you're in an AOE because it's hiding it! Cool! I so want that >_>

To be clear : you summon the essence of the primal. Kinda like a ghost. It's roughly shaped and reminiscent of the primal itself, without being a carbon copy.
Titan does exactly the same when he summons his adds : they're spirits from itself, based on his self.
Now I agree Garuda is meh, could have been more like the sisters.

For the "lack of control compared to arcanists", Carbuncle are equations refined and used for a long time. It's pretty much the essence of arcanima. Egis are tapping right into aether to call the "spirit" of a primal. It's not bound by equations or anything like that.

The whole "it's not FF-like" argument is retarded. What is FF-like or not is decided by SE, since it's their game. If they want it to be part of FF, then good. I personally find them to remind what they're representing and that's good enough for me. And i'm not the only one thinking that >.>

[Akiza]

Larger and more detailed Egis will get in the way as much as Chocoboos do during fates and since players primarily use the Garuda Egi it'll normally be in the corner somewhere out of the day.