SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Shiyo]

Almost no class completely changes going from a "class" to a job, a conj is a WHM at level1, a pug is a MONK at level1, and a arcanist is a SMN at level1. The jobs all play exactly like the class that came before it, with maybe 5 new skills that don't completely change your playstyle or role. Scholar is the only job in the game that uses the job system correctly and is actually fun/interesting and unique.

[KingBerry]

I completely agree Final Fantasy XIV ARR summoner is an abomination it makes no sense at all. Why the hell does summoner have all DoT? and barely anything for his eggi? Why are the eggi have such underwhelming appearance and a no Final Fantasy feel to them? Why are his eggi so weak? Summoner power should be coming from his avatars not himself just like in XI if ur avatar dies you are screwed.

[Crevox]

Almost no class completely changes going from a "class" to a job, a conj is a WHM at level1, a pug is a MONK at level1, and a arcanist is a SMN at level1. The jobs all play exactly like the class that came before it, with maybe 5 new skills that don't completely change your playstyle or role. Scholar is the only job in the game that uses the job system correctly and is actually fun/interesting and unique.

Yeah, and summoner should be following the same thing. Summoner is a completely different concept in Final Fantasy than "Arcanist", and they're trying to force it upon it.

[Kevee]

Yeah, and summoner should be following the same thing. Summoner is a completely different concept in Final Fantasy than "Arcanist", and they're trying to force it upon it.

It's not a completely different concept in Final Fanatsy XIV A Realm Reborn.

[Crevox]

It's not a completely different concept in Final Fanatsy XIV A Realm Reborn.

It is. Summoner in FFXIV is not like the Summoner of any other final fantasy game. It doesn't follow a similar gameplay style at all... it barely even focuses on pets at all. The quests were good, but we're basically just noob summoners that can only summon egi. That WOULD be okay, if it weren't for the fact that they are really weak and gameplay involving them is minimal. Summoner is just Arcanist with a new pet buff, slightly stronger pets (SAME SKILLS), and a 5 minute cooldown.

It's really depressing. We're just playing Arcanist at level 50, we're not playing "Summoner." They shouldn't have called it Summoner if they had no intention of making it like a Summoner. It's the worst attempt at trying to make it seem like a Final Fantasy job compared to all of the others.

Though, Bard is pretty far off too, but at least they still have some potent songs and it intertwines with their gameplay to an extent. Our pet is just "press contagion, okay now you auto attack until I need it again." That, alongside with only one viable/useful pet, makes this pretty depressing.

The main issue is that the PET IS A SUPPORTING ROLE. I am a SUMMONER, the pet should be my strength, not a sidekick. The pet should be everything that I am, the creature that I am so skilled to summon. Siiighhh.... I was really hoping Yoshida and team wouldn't screw up Summoner, but they ended up doing so.

[shinros]

Heh when I saw the garuda egi I was heartbroken it looks nothing like her in my opinion.

No. There's only one useful one period. Ifrit's only saving grace is his ability to stun, which is not worth it at all compared to Garuda. Titan is useless because he can't hold aggro off you, and no solo content REQUIRES him; Garuda is always the better choice. Anything stronger than that just eats him up, IF he holds aggro.



The point is Monk plays like a final fantasy Monk. It does exactly what it should.

Yup on the monk point and once I hit 40 I no longer used titan since carbuncle is more useful. The pet ai made me rage when he kept using shining emerald without me putting all the dots on the target obey needs to be a toggle. >_> Then I also remembered you can't cast and order your pet at the same time so then I simply dropped the summoner and decided to just level my black mage.

[Kevee]

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And how is a Puglist playing as compared to Monk? Or Lancer to Dragoon(btw, Jump isn't used in DPS rotation due to the delay unless you power surge it first)? They're no different than ACN->SMN.


The pet isn't the focal point, oh well. As I said, that isn't the point of ARR's Summoner.

Only one viable/useful pet? Yeah, maybe in a strict DPS setting while in a light/full party. Are all abilities useful everywhere for all classes? No?

Ok then.

[Crevox]

Only one viable/useful pet? Yeah, maybe in a strict DPS setting while in a light/full party. Are all abilities useful everywhere for all classes? No?

No. There's only one useful one period. Ifrit's only saving grace is his ability to stun, which is not worth it at all compared to Garuda. Titan is useless because he can't hold aggro off you, and no solo content REQUIRES him; Garuda is always the better choice. Anything stronger than that just eats him up, IF he holds aggro.

And how is a Puglist playing as compared to Monk?

The point is Monk plays like a final fantasy Monk. It does exactly what it should.

[Kevee]

No. There's only one useful one period. Ifrit's only saving grace is his ability to stun, which is not worth it at all compared to Garuda. Titan is useless because he can't hold aggro off you, and no solo content REQUIRES him; Garuda is always the better choice. Anything stronger than that just eats him up, IF he holds aggro.

No, there's not.

As you said, Ifrit has the stun which is situationally useful.

Titan isn't useless because it easily allows you to kill 2-3, and even 4 mobs at once.

Also, if no solo content requires him then how did you do the level 50 Summoner story quest? Because it wasn't anything else with how hard Belial hit.

Garuda is useful for DPS, that is what it brings. It's not always the time for DPS.

My point is that Summoner plays like a Final Fantasy XIV ARR Summoner, and you just can't seem to accept that. The pet can never be the centerpiece if you're just using an essence of what you would like to be summoning.

[Crevox]

Ifrit has the stun which is situationally useful.

No, it's not. Ever. Anything that needs to be stunned in party content to interrupt requires more proper timing than Ifrit can ever give, unless you keep him next to the boss on passive. Even then, most execute too fast for him, and it's just too wonky to rely on, especially for a measly 2 second stun. Solo, nothing needs to be stunned. Ever.

Titan isn't useless because it easily allows you to kill 2-3, and even 4 mobs at once.

You can do the same with Garuda.

Also, if no solo content requires him then how did you do the level 50 Summoner story quest? Because it wasn't anything else with how hard Belial hit.

A quest designed to require him does not make him useful.

My point is that Summoner plays like a Final Fantasy XIV ARR Summoner

Except it doesn't, even still. Summoner has no playstyle in FFXIV. When you play Summoner, you are playing an Arcanist. None of the abilities of Summoner change up your rotation or your ability usage AT ALL. You get 2 cooldowns and an upgraded version of an existing ability (Energy Drain -> Fester) and that's it. There is no "summoner" gameplay in this game. For others, like Pugilist -> Monk, it makes sense because how Pugilist plays similarly to how a Monk would play, and the Monk compliments the Pugilist with Monk skills. This is not the case with Summoner at all, because you keep learning Arcanist skills (Fester, Tri-disaster). The only "summoner" skills are cooldowns and a useless pet.

You could think of it this way. It makes sense that Monk is the advanced job of Pugilist because Monk punches things. It makes sense that Dragoon is the advanced job of Lancer because Dragoon uses a lance to fight. It makes sense that Summoner is the advanced class of Arcanist because Summoners go around using Bio and various diseases... wait, what?