SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Geracia2]

I'm curious, what would happen if SE introduced a new flow to SMN where:
1. Either the Egi reacts to specific spells the SMN casts, Say miasma (dot and slow), egi (dps/tank) reacts with it's own (DoT/Enmity)
2. Egi has something to do with Aetherflow stacks of their own, expending one opens up a new skill/spell for us to "chain" off of, (same way other classes have skills open depending on previous skills used). Expend the stack and the egi effectively just turns back into an obey Dot till anther Aetherflow stack is generated.
obviously with this suggestion we would have to sacrifice some of our current skills and place them in the Egi's skill tree. BUT, that makes sense right? We are summoners, not DoT'ers.

[Wolf_Shay]

@Geracia2: Just...just no.

[Geracia2]

@Geracia2: Just...just no.

so your ok with using your pet for only about 20% of a fight?
You've got 2 maybe 3 good skills from your pet at a time, the rest are DoTs and time fillers till you re-up on DoTs.
I enjoy how SMN plays now, but to go back to the OP, where does the pet really make you feel like a summoner?

[Exstal]

so your ok with using your pet for only about 20% of a fight?
You've got 2 maybe 3 good skills from your pet at a time, the rest are DoTs and time fillers till you re-up on DoTs.
I enjoy how SMN plays now, but to go back to the OP, where does the pet really make you feel like a summoner?

So just nerf damage from the SMN itself and give the pet more skills so you feel more involved. It's still less than 1 year ARR has been out. Sit back, relax, it's going to be a long ride.

[Akiza]

People have to remember that the Summoner always had a sub job added to it to make it more useful and since Square decide they wanted the Summoner to be a dps instead of a healer they went with Arcanist. Summoner's as a job don't fight for themselves they summon giant monsters to fight for them and provide support. If players want a true Summoner that commands the pet to perform actions and be the main source of damage they have to make the Summoner itself provide support dps and give the pets more buffs and abilities. A middle ground would be having the Summoner providing single target sustained dps with the pet providing massive 360 degree radius burst dps.

[KingOfAbyss]

People have to remember that the Summoner is the only job that evolves into an advanced job called the High Summoner.

The way I see it, HIGH SMN will have neck pain, with the Gae Bolg size of the future Horn on their foreheads..

Agreed it's old-fashioned SMN, but there is a Limit/Break.

[Exstal]

People have to remember that the Summoner is the only job that evolves into an advanced job called the High Summoner.

Black Mage => Black Wizard
White Mage => White Wizard
Red Mage => Red Wizard


???????

[Ardan]

Monk becomes Bruce Lee.

[Akiza]

Egis do need to use their element more like their parent primal
Ifrit uses his fire element to create explosive charges but there is nothing explosive about the Ifrit Egi
Titan is a massive tank that uses his element of earth to grind players into the ground by using weight of the land, tumult and goal but Titan Egi barely uses his earth element or delivers crushing blows.
Garuda uses her element of wind to attack from every angle to cut players down by using rotating twisters, exploding feathers and blink but Garuda Egi seems content with being nuisance.

[Akiza]

Black Mage => Black Wizard
White Mage => White Wizard
Red Mage => Red Wizard


???????

Every job has mastered version of their job