SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Tensu]

I would agree, I just hit 40 today and honestly 90% of the time while in fate groups I do not even have my summon out as it feels like more of a hassle having to re-summon it every time it run off to despawn itself hitting some mob I run by.

and they just do not seem to do enough for me to warrant the 6 seconds I would have to spend every time i dismount to re-summon him since most the time whatever I am trying to kill would just be dead from my dots in that time anyways.

[Arcana]

and they just do not seem to do enough for me to warrant the 6 seconds I would have to spend every time i dismount to re-summon him since most the time whatever I am trying to kill would just be dead from my dots in that time anyways.

Lvl up thm to 26 and pugilits to 10, dont be lazy...

[Tensu]

Lvl up thm to 26 and pugilits to 10, dont be lazy...

I do not see how having swift cast would change the fact that I can kill a mob just as quick with the dots, So what every 180 seconds I can insta cast my summon to watch it run off and desummon itself when I walk next to a agrroing mob?

[Samuraiking]

I do not see how having swift cast would change the fact that I can kill a mob just as quick with the dots, So what every 180 seconds I can insta cast my summon to watch it run off and desummon itself when I walk next to a agrroing mob?

This is off topic, but it's a 60 second cooldown, not 180. You can easily resummon it every time it runs off. I know, it's a bad design and I hate it, but that is no excuse for you being lazy and missing skills for your class. A SMN can save the day in a dungeon by fast cast rezing someone who dies. Instant resummon will allow you to not lose much dps (you will lose a lot more if you don't resummon, or you do it slowly w/o Fast cast). I would say if you don't do PvE content with other people, then it doesn't matter, but YOU have to in order to complete the story, so you are purposefully gimping yourself in dungeons because you don't care. Don't be a dick.

[Tensu]

That is nice but sort of missing my point, At no point did I say swiftcast was a useless spell I simply said how would insta casting the egi change the fact that a mob dies what 2 seconds faster if you have it out as opposed to just dotting it. My point when I said it was that for being a summoner who is supposed to you know revolve around your summons they just feel lack luster most the time.

Back to the point of swift cast however using it to fix the issue addressed is not really a solution but simply a band-aid to put over something that is clearly wonked, Why does the pet change stances just because I get on the mount and chase around mobs, Why can I not still command the pet while on the mount. Sure attacks and stuff could be locked out but the fact I cannot tell the pet to stop chasing crap is the point I was more so getting at with that.

[Crevox]

One of the most annoying things is you can't command a pet while casting a spell...

[Whitemage82]

What I don't understand is why the players think they are the ones dictating the game and what content it has. You don't make the lore, you don't decided on job abilities, you don't make the game. You play it.

They decide what a summoner is; if you don't like it you can give feedback, but they are in charge of the design. If you don't like the job they created you play something else you like better. They are perfectly in their right to change what jobs do.

Just wait. MAR is going to have Dark Knight using an axe and tanking with blood and drain effects and people are going to go bat !@#$ crazy, lol.

[Crevox]

What I don't understand is why the players think they are the ones dictating the game and what content it has. You don't make the lore, you don't decided on job abilities, you don't make the game. You play it.

They decide what a summoner is; if you don't like it you can give feedback, but they are in charge of the design. If you don't like the job they created you play something else you like better. They are perfectly in their right to change what jobs do.

Just wait. MAR is going to have Dark Knight using an axe and tanking with blood and drain effects and people are going to go bat !@#$ crazy, lol.

No, we don't dictate it, but we still don't like it. Even if you ignore the entire fact that we're complaining about SMN not matching previous concepts in FF and not living up to our expectations, there's still a large amount of other valid complaints. The SMN job in general is a weak "upgrade" due to the fact the only reason it's worth equipping is Fester. Read the main post before commenting.

[abesut]

What I don't understand is why the players think they are the ones dictating the game and what content it has. You don't make the lore, you don't decided on job abilities, you don't make the game. You play it.

They decide what a summoner is; if you don't like it you can give feedback, but they are in charge of the design. If you don't like the job they created you play something else you like better. They are perfectly in their right to change what jobs do.

Just wait. MAR is going to have Dark Knight using an axe and tanking with blood and drain effects and people are going to go bat !@#$ crazy, lol.

ppl are not dictating it. But imagine this: what if DC turned Superman into aquaman? That's what SE did to SMN

[TasOgie]

You will never see the FFXI BST in this game, todays gamers wont tolerate that level of diversity. They will demand that everyone have exact same ability as a BST. Remember your dealing with entitled generation now . BST is far to powerful an individual for todays audience to tolerate.