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  1. #2771
    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Diabolos
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironos View Post
    Regardless, people probably queue for In Progress in hopes of an easy roulette bonus, hoping the group is at the last boss or whatever. Less work for the same reward is all the incentive people need a lot of the time.
    You're right. I'm guilty of it myself (short runs to cap tomes or get a quick exp boost is always nice), but I have never entered a in-prog aiming to be a jerk.

    If I'm entering an in-prog, then something has obviously gone wrong (hence a missing player). I don't think it's cool to make things worse. Besides, it's a bit of a gamble to act out in a in-prog group. You never know why that spot was empty. The group could have already vote-kicked someone for being a jerk. What's one more? It almost happened in my group as well. The Tank we got almost wiped us several times over by kiting AoE's and Cleaves into myself and the Dps. Right off the bat I was considering another vote-kick, but I hesitated.

    I main Tank, so I have high standards. I admit that I tend to judge harshly, and for that reason I actively try to not criticize unless I absolutely have to or someone else in the party says something first (thereby vindicating my harsh judgment). In this case, neither of the Dps said anything, so I let it slide. By the end, though, they both piped up. It turns out that none of us were happy with the replacement. If we had been just a bit more vocal during the run, the Tank would have gotten the boot with a unanimous vote.
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  2. #2772
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Adamantoise
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
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    Paper tanking can be fun but I've never done it at the Vault yet so I'm not entirely sure how hard the mobs there hit. It just sounded like more unneeded stress, but as long as you had fun... xD

    About In Progress: Yeah, I always try to be as nice and helpful as possible when I get an in prog because I don't know how Vote Kick happy the group is.

    I'm trying to learn to be more vocal when something is going wrong, or someone isn't doing a good job (outside being new). I am more hesitant to kick Tanks though, primarily because it's such a long queue time. I've even had tanks who knew they were being an ass but taunted us with "You have to keep me around because you would wait forever for a new tank!"
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  3. #2773
    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I am more hesitant to kick Tanks though, primarily because it's such a long queue time. I've even had tanks who knew they were being an ass but taunted us with "You have to keep me around because you would wait forever for a new tank!"
    The trash mobs hit pretty weakly (so long as you don't grab a huge group of them), but the Iron Giant guys and the Chess Piece Knights can hit pretty hard if you're not on the ball. First set of Party wide AoE's caught me off guard, but if once you expect it it's not so bad. If I can do it at my gimpy item level (still rocking a few Ironworks pieces) than I'm sure a better equipped healer could do it no problem.

    In regards to Tank ques, I have a bit of an advantage. I Main as Tank, and have all 3 of them at 60 and geared to the teeth. So, I have lots of experience tanking and can swap out whenever I need to. I've had one tank pull the "you can't kick me" stunt on me once while I was running as my Drg. To which I replied: "I'll tank" and vote-kicked the guy. I actually kept tanking as my Drg until we got a new tank. I told the group that I'd pull out and join in prog as one of my Tanks if we didn't get another one by the time we made it to the next boss. Thankfully we did, and I got to keep my exp, but if it came down to it I would have switched. No one should have to put up with that kind of garbage.
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  4. #2774
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    Rhyku's Avatar
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    Estinien Wyrmblood
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    Tonberry
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    Sage Lv 90
    Rolled Pharos Hard for DREx, loaded into dungeon, got a newbie bard and blm. First signs of trouble arises at the 1st boss where no one took adds off me. No issue, popped my macro for tank to take aggro and we passed. Reached the 2nd boss and that's when all hell broke loose. No one bothered about killing gels above the vents. DPS doesn't kill, tank doesn't kill, no one bothers taking them off me either. I lightspeed/gravity the lot too late and died when they exploded. Wipe. We restart. I tell the group to kill the gel on top of the vents. Checked DPSs language, repeated instructions in Japanese. No replies, feeling a bit apprehensive already at this point.

    What do ya know. AGAIN no one kills the gel, saved for the difference is that now the bard drags the gel over the vent but doesn't kill it? I Malefic it too late, gel explodes, taking out the bard. I ressed the bard while running away from gels and an annoying Be Gu cannonballing himself around. Boom, 2-3 gels take me out while I was standing in place healing the tank. Third try. This time, I told myself, i'd kill the damn gel over the vent myself if I have to. Vent spawns, gel spawns, I whip into cleric mode, grab gel, drag to vent annnnnd, bard comes running to me with another gel! She doesn't kill it again, of course, just stands there taking dmg from a blob wailing away at her. I survived the gel exploding on me, but Be Gu's cannonballing took me out. All the while, the BLM just sits in her little comfortable corner, DPSing the boss.

    Respawn, someone initiated a vote abandon. I clicked a YES, relieved to not go through this living hell anymore and just as I was loading out, the bard finally speaks and says "WTH was that AST doing?"

    I've never ever wanted to throw my keyboard at my monitor so badly in my whole life.
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  5. #2775
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    Rhyku's Avatar
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    Estinien Wyrmblood
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    We get a second tank just before the next boss... who proceeds to stand in almost every AoE the guy televises, turns cleaves towards the Dps and me (wanted to make sure I was awake, I guess), and then speed pulls the rest of the dungeon all the way to final boss with almost no Cd's. He pulls the final boss before the Dps are even at the door, and then proceeds to stand in the charge line of every single Knight and is almost constantly slowed or bleeding. My Mp was sucking empty for the entire last 25% of the fight. Fight ends. Tank busts out of there before the loot box is even open. Dps speaks up and says, "anyone else think that run was going smoother before we got a Tank?"

    Yes... Yes it was.
    That second tank is a living nightmare. Guess he just wanted to speedrun it without care for whether the party could handle it or not >_<
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  6. #2776
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Paper tanking can be fun but I've never done it at the Vault yet so I'm not entirely sure how hard the mobs there hit. It just sounded like more unneeded stress, but as long as you had fun... xD

    About In Progress: Yeah, I always try to be as nice and helpful as possible when I get an in prog because I don't know how Vote Kick happy the group is.

    I'm trying to learn to be more vocal when something is going wrong, or someone isn't doing a good job (outside being new). I am more hesitant to kick Tanks though, primarily because it's such a long queue time. I've even had tanks who knew they were being an ass but taunted us with "You have to keep me around because you would wait forever for a new tank!"
    Dont think that way. It's not really that long( speaking as a former blm for 6 months). What I hate is when a healer drops. IM not going to leave but we usually end up abandoning.


    I never do in prog as a tank. No reason. Just haven't tried it yet.
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    Last edited by Twilite; 12-16-2015 at 04:30 PM.

  7. #2777
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    Viar's Avatar
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    Ria Arrow
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    Cerberus
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    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyku View Post
    Rolled Pharos Hard for DREx, loaded into dungeon, got a newbie bard and blm. First signs of trouble arises at the 1st boss where no one took adds off me. No issue, popped my macro for tank to take aggro and we passed. Reached the 2nd boss and that's when all hell broke loose. No one bothered about killing gels above the vents.
    I just Aero->Stone III the add myself. After running through the dungeon once on BRD and only getting that mechanic after watching a guide, I decided that I'd not trust DPS to deal with it. Especially when DPS were killing the add before it reached the vent...
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  8. #2778
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyku View Post
    Rolled Pharos Hard for DREx, loaded into dungeon, got a newbie bard and blm. First signs of trouble arises at the 1st boss where no one took adds off me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viar View Post
    I just Aero->Stone III the add myself. After running through the dungeon once on BRD and only getting that mechanic after watching a guide, I decided that I'd not trust DPS to deal with it. Especially when DPS were killing the add before it reached the vent...
    Yeah I always Broil the adds on Scholar too, they likely expected you to do that. I think it's a waste of DPS for the actual DPS to move from the boss to do that since they die so fast.
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    Last edited by Taika; 12-16-2015 at 06:10 PM.

  9. #2779
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    NovoLenio's Avatar
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    Novo Lenio
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lots of s--- going on.

    This has a ton of details, so it'll be split into three posts:

    Earlier today, before maintenance, I was running Void Ark with some FC members and an outside friend. When I do large raids, I usually gravitate towards AST because I can choose to be more SCH-like or WHM-like as needed. My FC leader, who is a SUPER TALENTED WAR, decides to be MT as he always does. (He dislikes "beta tanks" and this gives me more to do in raids than just derp around.) That being said, he later told me that part of his lacking at some points, namely the final boss, was due to some shit while tanking, totally understandable because it's VERY hard to do anything and MT a 24 man raid at the same time... Speaking from personal experience from the Crystal Tower. All of our other members that queued with us are DPS. My cohealer ends up being a WHM, which is perfect-it means I can be Diurnal or Nocturnal to better suit the situation's needs.
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  10. #2780
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    Novo Lenio
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    Midgardsormr
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    The first trash goes smoothly, and the 1st boss is an okay run-through. I noticed that my cohealer only used Esuna on himself. The next trash/etc goes pretty smoothly. Then, we hit the tentacle dude. I use my Diurnal Sect (for obvious reasons) and heal like normal. Everything goes fine until my cohealer does a pathetic job of keeping himself alive, even with my help. So, not only am I healing the party, I'm reviving him roughly once a minute, and since my FC leader is main tanking, so I have no choice but to keep reviving him. (I don't think I can solo heal that boss, especially with 4 ranged DPS that hate standing together.) I eventually died to tentacles because my whole alliance was dead, excluding my tank, and I had to LB3 in the center of the room in hopes of hitting everyone. (On the plus side, that was my 1st time seing AST LB3... it was BEAUTIFUL.) The only thing my cohealer did right was resurrect me, but I died soon after and we wiped.
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