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  1. #1
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    I was in TotoFuck as whm. After he pulled second group of mobs tank stops and says "healer why aren't you healing me"
    "Wat"
    "My health was half down. Kick this shit healer"
    Everyone ignored him and when he finally pulled the next mobs I left when his hp was half empty I guess I was a sick but I can't even. This happens too often.
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  2. #2
    Player Buff_Archer's Avatar
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    Buff Archer
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    Diabolos
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Playing as healer really makes me hate people in this game sometimes, and I'm thinking of retiring from the healer role. Why support others who in no way support you? Example first time I ran Qarn HM- said it was first time- tank pulls all the way to the first boss and the incoming damage has him going from full to < 25% HP every second or so, I had to blow through all my Lustrates and cooldowns in the first 10 seconds and still not the amount of incoming damage was enough to lower his HP to from full to almost nothing in well under 1 GCD. I told him the pull was too big for the level we were geared at and there was just too much incoming damage, and we ended up wiping. The tank was like- great I guess we have to do this the slow way as if it's my fault and I'm only capable of handling one enemy at a time. Oh and this is where he finally said it was his first time.

    I'm like wait a minute, you've never run this dungeon and yet with no knowledge of what's here you expect me to be able to heal through anything you pull regardless of how much damage it puts out? And he said yeah and that he'd have been able to do it, because he'd healed pulls up to the first boss on AK and Halatali (or maybe it was Brayflox HM, doesn't matter because it's not the same damn dungeon). People act like tanks do all the hard work in these lvl 50 dungeons when all half of them do is run through pulling everything like a level 30 player running through Sylphlands and expecting the healer to keep them up no matter what they pull. Of course the DPS's don't say anything, we clear the dungeon with me keeping everyone healed except the tank died once when he didn't leave the quicksand and went all the way under. 0 commendations of course which is kind of an FU to healers in that situation, I expected none from the tank of course because he was a total asshole, but it's an annoying thing when you have to go on the defensive from another player, do your job really well (first time no less) and get 0 kind of support from anyone.

    And this is why from now on, I will have no second thoughts about abandoning teams such as this the first time the tank even looks at me the wrong way. The DPS's can wait 45 min in queue all over again if they want because it's not like they're so supportive when you get an asshole tank and they just stand in the background and blend in.
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  3. #3
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Twintania
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Archer View Post

    And this is why from now on, I will have no second thoughts about abandoning teams such as this the first time the tank even looks at me the wrong way. The DPS's can wait 45 min in queue all over again if they want because it's not like they're so supportive when you get an asshole tank and they just stand in the background and blend in.
    That's pretty common it's the old MMO mentality that the Tank is super important so the DPS are scared to stand up to them. In some older games the Tanks were usually leaders of statics and expected to lead a party in a random group they still kind of are so they get away with a lot more because people feel if the Tank leaves they will have a long wait and it's usually true. Been in that exact same situation more times than i can count and it's even worse if they have some DPS sidekick who is up their backside because they want fast queues so then the two of them gang up on you even though the Tank is in the wrong. With experience you can pretty much carry a bad group but they shouldn't expect it from a new Healer when the Tank is also new. An experienced Tank will make things really easy on you because they know how to handle incoming damage. Just don't expect commendations if you carry a run most people won't even notice because of the stigma that your job is easy and they just expect you to be able to work miracles.

    There are just a lot of assholes in the game I mean I'm no saint by any means and i lose my temper with people but some people seem to be in jerk mode 24/7. Encountered certain Tanks multiple times that are just horrible people in denial about how bad they are. Also got no love for people who feel the need to be jerks when you are trying to help them.

    Had this issue in a random Titan PuG in progress the Tank was new and I wanted to stay and help them so we start and the first pull ends in a wipe pretty fast. I was explaining how after Titan jumps what often happens is the healers throw a heal out for the damage and pull Titan because the aggro is different. I said the aggro resets which is what I always thought is what is happening because if i throw a heal out after he jumps i often almost have aggro so it's better if the Tank taunts him before i do it and some DRG was being really bitchy like "lolol the aggro doesn't reset you dumb bitch" I mean regardless if that is or is not a particular fact I'm just trying to help the Tank not lose aggro after a jump then he's like "If you want to help don't give false information" so i just gave up on helping. Had situations where the person I am trying to help is also not very nice about it and starts being abusive it's like "I'm trying to help you why are you calling me names!?" XD.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 06-08-2015 at 07:15 PM.

  4. #4
    Player Buff_Archer's Avatar
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    Buff Archer
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    Diabolos
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
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    Thanks for sharing; I'm trying to keep an open mind and not build an anti-tank bias by reminding myself that there's people who play the tank role true how to it's intended to be played, and then there's people who are really just going into a dungeon as a 'third DPS' wearing tank gear for the instant queue and the knowledge that they will have a player primarily healing them no matter what they do. If this was my first character I'd probably think the problem was me... however, I have enough experience on my main to know what's reasonable and what isn't, and for a tank to think they can simply pull from start to the first boss on any dungeon out there regardless of what it is, and without themselves knowing what types of enemies to expect, is rediculous. My first Brayflox HM run on my alt, I was maybe i89 and had soldiery bonus appear on me, told them it was me who was the first timer and I was i89 and still working hard to gear up.. and that dungeon was released intended for people geared at that level... the tank pulled up to the first boss (only doing lockout with 3 enemies) and I healed through it fine even at that level. So I know how to heal through large pulls... and I also know there are situations where the damage is more than even someone geared at max for level synch can do.

    Speaking of level synch, my second or third time healing Halatali HM on that character (because I stuck with the dungeons around my ilvl until I had higher level gear) the tank was at 120+ and pulled everything. After we wiped I reminded him that I was just at like i90 and unlike him below the level synch. He told me that wasn't a problem since it would have synched me up to his level. <sigh>
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    Last edited by Buff_Archer; 06-09-2015 at 08:03 AM.

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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    There are just a lot of assholes in the game I mean I'm no saint by any means and i lose my temper with people but some people seem to be in jerk mode 24/7. Encountered certain Tanks multiple times that are just horrible people in denial about how bad they are. Also got no love for people who feel the need to be jerks when you are trying to help them.
    Oh let me show you what happens when I don't queue as healer...

    http://www.twitch.tv/kisaitenshi/b/667092080

    Yeah... oh this party looks fine, 5 minutes later *psyche* nobody wants to be a tank. 8 minute mark, all tanks are dead.

    Now what you wouldn't know is that half the people in that alliance B are certainly from my server with all the trolls on it, at least those spamming the alliance chat are.

    Compare with a non-stupid run. Hey look even the healers get to DPS.
    http://www.twitch.tv/kisaitenshi/b/667097540
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    Nivie Khatayin
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    Faerie
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    Archer Lv 38
    I haven't really had many horror moments on this character thankfully, for the most part everyone has been encouraging and patient when I say I'm new to a dungeon or whatever. But I started another healing character on a different server to level with my husband on his days off and we've yet to have a good group. Last night we unlock Thousand Maws so we queue for it. From the first, the tank focuses on only one mob. I get yelled at when I pull hate (I waited to cure until he was at 30%). We make it to the boss that slows, and of course I get the adds. Tank won't grab them. Other dps has a tank so he's trying to explain what moves he should be using, and he gets yelled at too. Tank says he already knows what he's doing so stfu. Meanwhile, chat is also being flooded with *Tank beckons to mob* over and over again. That was him trying to take the adds off of me. I tried to tell him that wouldn't work, but he was having none of it. It was kind of amusing. I don't know how we cleared it.
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    Niadissa Nelhah
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    Lamia
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tirissa View Post
    *snip* chat is also being flooded with *Tank beckons to mob* over and over again. That was him trying to take the adds off of me. I tried to tell him that wouldn't work, but he was having none of it. It was kind of amusing. I don't know how we cleared it.
    I.... I don't even know what to say to that
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tirissa View Post
    Snipe.
    That is... horrible. You should have kicked that tank. Being new is fine, asking for help is fine, yelling at party members and not accepting advice is not okay. You lot would have been better off 3-manning it. [EDIT] The more I think about it, part of me thinks maybe he did it on purpose. Someone else was telling him what to do, so he got all defensive and maybe thought something like, "They want me to get the attention of mobs?! Oh yeah, I'll do just that! /beckon". Still think you should have kicked him. :x

    I've never seen a tank use /beckon in an attempt to draw hate though (kind of reminds me of an action MMO I used to play where we didn't have the typical tank/dps/healer roles and one fight had a mechanic where you had to knock the boss off a cliff, but without typical aggro he'd just run around attacking whoever he wanted. It was discovered that the class that could block damage and stand still could lure the boss to the edge by spamming f11 (which was the sit emote) and then the rest of the party (if they had half a brain and decent aim) would knock the boss off the cliff). I guess someone was leveling via levequests. I kind of worry what low level roulette is going to be like when I attempt to play Astro now, LOL.
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    Last edited by Selli; 06-08-2015 at 02:45 PM.

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    Saseal's Avatar
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Tirissa View Post
    Meanwhile, chat is also being flooded with *Tank beckons to mob* over and over again. That was him trying to take the adds off of me.
    .....
    ...immediately after reading this, I couldn't help but hold in a snort, look away from the monitor and slowly cover my eyes with my hands....


    ./soothe
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    TruebladeNuke's Avatar
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    Felicia Meracle
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tirissa View Post
    Meanwhile, chat is also being flooded with *Tank beckons to mob* over and over again.


    That... that is not how a provoke macro works...

    Seriously, what was that tank thinking? *Tosses you a cookie for having to endure that "tank"*
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