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  1. #1471
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    Sagittarian's Avatar
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    Nesshin'na Kasai
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 90
    This is both a healing horror story and a healer complaint.
    After seeing the comments here about keeping regen on the MT in World Of Darkness I started paying attention. I had a run tonight with 6 whm. The MT had only 1 regen on - mine.. and they weren't even in my party. >_<
    Half the group didn't seem to know how to avoid Mortal Gaze.
    The Jormangund were chewing on people.
    The Wolfsbane stayed aggroed on me.
    People kept dropping after their loot area. Half the group was replaced by the end .. fortunately by people who knew the fights better.
    It was just a mess.
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  2. #1472
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    Werhusky's Avatar
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    Nazreen Eby
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sagittarian View Post
    Just referring
    Whenever I am at Angra Mainu I call myself "Raising machine" cant call it any other... I been though twice impressed by alliances that actually did dodge Mortal Gaze/Swapped red and white AOE.

    And bout the Wolfsbanes... I even offtanked em once as scholar as the tank that was supposed to take em ported out (not sure if intentionally but he died pretty much at pull and then was out) and the tank of the belly team didnt care so I simply put all my sch dps on em to aggro and keep from other unprepared healers... the add team also didn't care to kill em so well generally we had the maintank on cerby I kept myself with Lustrates up our WHM spammed Cure 2 on maintank and me while dps made fun in Cerbys belly and our DPS killed the banes... actually great fun ^-^
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  3. #1473
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    Saseal's Avatar
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    I don't know if it was my party or another alliance, but during an ST run today, everyone ignored the Clockwork Squires and tried to burn the boss. We wiped 3 times and decided to eat the penalty. To top it off, nobody was new to the raid, which makes it even more infuriating.
    Had an ST group earlier in the month that the majority decided ignoring all of Amon's ADDS (kum-kums, snakes) would be awesome. The ADDs and random pyrotechnics wiped the alliances easily. Kited a snake around the arena (on bard) for a while after turning back from a frog, since no one else was picking it up or healing (I hate having to end up in bard-circles, but I had no choice. Potion + second wind + featherfoot + shadow bind had all been used up >_> ...those wenches kinda hurt).... ended up dying right next to one of our party's healers after hovering in hopes of getting a lil' help. Rest of the raid joined me on the floor soon after.
    It was a silly defeat.
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  4. #1474
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    SummonerSenah's Avatar
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    Senah Kha
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 90
    I've been running everything as healer since I'm working on a Novus. WoD is easily the worst to heal. I had a run where the tank died from Mortal Gaze every time. Same run, the tank had the purple icon during the five headed dragon and ran off by himself instead of splitting the damage. Another run, my cohealer spent the run in cleric, tried to heal while in cleric, spammed cure 2, kept asking the bard for mana song (meanwhile I haven't even needed to pop Shrouds), and then was too busy arguing during the last fight to help with it in any fashion. I try now to run it with the majority of my party being members of my fc so that I know I can count on them.
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  5. #1475
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    Saseal's Avatar
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by SummonerSenah View Post
    I've been running everything as healer since I'm working on a Novus. WoD is easily the worst to heal. I had a run where the tank died from Mortal Gaze every time. Same run, the tank had the purple icon during the five headed dragon and ran off by himself instead of splitting the damage.
    I'm not looking forward to healing that, soon >.>
    Been running on bard a lot - I'll admit, I'll usually be good about Mortal Gaze and the color debuff swapping by camping the color border line - but every now and then I end up focusing on something stupid like, "*Stares at mp bars* ohshit healer MP *Sings song at wrong time. Doesn't notice Mortal gaze cast time, regardless focus target* Or moving to DPS the gate things and.... the debuff color border I need is a mile away and I don't make it in time - getting a second stack and face planting into the ground.
    I've chased both a healer and a tank around the arena whom have that purple circle (to ensure they don't die) >_< Even worse when I have said circle and I have to chase fleeing people with it so I don't become a Raise nuisance =_=
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    Last edited by Saseal; 02-25-2015 at 11:01 PM.

  6. #1476
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    EmeraldAres's Avatar
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    I've been working on my Zodiac weapon the last couple days to get my Zeta out of the way so I can take it easy until the expansion.

    As many healers from the Novus to Nexus days remember, light farming does weird things to people and changes how they behave in trials. I'm talking things like not waiting for protect and stoneskin and eating Garuda's first Minstrel Shriek. This post isn't really about that, even though less experienced healers can be overwhelmed and frustrated when people sidestep these protocols. I'm over that for the most part, having been one of the people who spammed a multitude of trials in order to get a Thyrus Nexus. I'm used to people ignoring a nail on Ifrit, eating that first shriek, or thinking they're invincible on titan when they're not. That's fine. I can deal with any of those, and some of them can even be good for speeding up the clear. When a problem does occur, I am generally not blamed when it doesn't go the way people think it should go.

    Enter Gilgamesh: Battle on the Big Bridge, the bane of any random healer that decides to do it for light. Now for Gilgamesh, you have four groups of players who will be running it when a light window is open:

    1) Ultra Pro Light Spammers: May or may not be hardcore raiders but are often in partial premades at the very least to maximize their light time. As soon as a new light window is discovered, these guys are all over it like a bear is over honey. If you see them anywhere else, they don't know what the new light window is. They generally employ special tactics whenever they can to speed up the death of whatever they are farming.

    2) Veteran Light Spammers: People who solo light or go with a few friends, and may or may not pursue a light window depending on how much they care at the time. Like the Ultra Pros, these guys generally know all the ins and outs of the fights. The only real difference is they don't necessarily feel the need to go full throttle and spam as many of the gentle light window as humanly possible with an organized team. This is me, since I usually solo for my light as a random healer.

    3) Casual Light Spammers: These guys may or may not know what the light window is, and may or may not queue with others. They probably know most of the mechanics of the trials, but they may make a few mistakes here or there. They may also be unaware of some of the tactics employed by Ultra Pro Light Spammers in order to maximize the amount of light gained in a window. These are the guys who always kill Ifrit's 4th nail. Veteran Light Spammers have no problem with them, but Ultra Pro Light Spammers might type out a snarky message when they "mess it up." Smart Ultra Pro Light Spammers will at least tell the Casual and Veteran Light Spammers to do their speed strat before it begins.

    4) Normal Players: Regular joes who get sucked into the light run either because it's their first time running it, they want a primal weapon, or they got it for trial roulette. May be good at the fight or may be bad, but will generally not care about any special strategies that the Ultra Pro Light Spammers are using.

    Now why did I go to the trouble of dividing people up? To highlight my frustrations as a random healer during the Gilgamesh light window. An explanation is in order, for those who don't understand the trick the "Ultra Pro Light Spammers" use. On the second part of Gilgamesh, after the two packs of adds, Gilgamesh starts to throw effects like confusion, multi-frog, multi-mini, and a combination on the raid. He will do these sequences one after the other, dependent on his HP level. Now, some Ultra Pro Light Spammers have a way of sidestepping the problem of frog and mini entirely: <Gilgamesh will not throw out additional status effects until confusion is removed from all party members.> Since confusion is cured by healing the target to full, it falls to the healers on whether this happens or not. If one person is left confused, the group can just burn him down without having to wait through frog and mini and run from chickens. If everyone is healed, the fight proceeds as normal.

    Enter my situation tonight. In every other group, I would have someone complain to me about this. Sometimes I would heal the confusion, sometimes not. I started out leaving it up, but a Casual Light Spammer or Normal Player whined to me. "Heal to full, thanks." Yeah, fine, I did it. Group takes all the side effects, we win, whatever. Several clears go by where I cure it and either nobody cares or they silently hate me. Eventually, a couple Ultra Pro Light Spammers rant at me. "This wouldn't have happened if you had left the confusion on." "Don't Press Cure." Okay, I know. But last time I let this happen, a Normal Player whined at me. As if to reinforce this, on my next and final clear, I left confusion on and the guy complains about not being cleansed. So I heal him, and the entire raid turns into frogs. I probably had about 6 people wanting to kill me at the point, assuming they knew which healer did it.

    I just couldn't win. I ended the light window early and did an expert roulette with some friends instead, seeing as the world at large kept harassing me about the confusion buff one way or the other. I'm not a mind reader. I even started asking before each run if I should leave confuse up or not, but that got annoying fast because most groups would just ignore me in their bid to spam light as fast as possible. If I see another Gilgamesh light window, I'll just spam Garuda or go run dungeons/CT instead. It isn't worth the aggravation of getting snide remarks from strangers every other clear, no matter what I decide to do by default.

    On the positive end, I did get the Gilgamesh & Endiku card in the process.

    /giantrantover
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    Last edited by EmeraldAres; 02-26-2015 at 03:56 PM.

  7. #1477
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    DreamWeaver's Avatar
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    Lucidia Dreamweaver
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Mayhaps you should pick a method and stick to your guns?
    If you choose not to heal the confusion victims and some uninformed bloke whine at you, perhaps explain in 1 sentence?
    "If I do not cleanse your Confusion, Greg will not perform any more skills and will just normal attack till he dies"

    Remember the old story "A man, a boy, and a Donkey"?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_mil...and_the_donkey
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  8. #1478
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Mayhaps you should pick a method and stick to your guns?
    If you choose not to heal the confusion victims and some uninformed bloke whine at you, perhaps explain in 1 sentence?
    "If I do not cleanse your Confusion, Greg will not perform any more skills and will just normal attack till he dies"

    Remember the old story "A man, a boy, and a Donkey"?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_mil...and_the_donkey
    I understand, believe me I do. I appreciate your effort to help me, and I'm not being sarcastic. But I can't think of another situation where this crops up in content that is spammed for light, where you have to pick a position and then deal with constant nagging from whichever side you don't please. I don't think I'm going to run into this problem again, though, seeing as I am almost finished. I think I am currently on the Archer.
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  9. #1479
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    Lucidia Dreamweaver
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Yup don't think there's another "A strategy vs B strategy" instance for healers other than Big Bridge anymore. ("A Strat vs B Strat" is more often a tank headache :P).

    Congratulations on your would be Zeta!!
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  10. #1480
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    Magusrex's Avatar
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    Sinystrad Daxx
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    Exodus
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    Conjurer Lv 54
    I have a RL friend who is terribad and has no idea how to play their healers(has both). I get stalked when I log in, he always want to do a raid. When he goes alone he often gets kicked. We go, he dies immediately and more than half the time on a boss he says "oops, I said yes and am back at the starting point" and he say "your uber and can heal it alone". I can do it but it is way more stressful than necessary, I am being used. When I finally get sick of it....(soon. I will will probably lose a friend over it...Really sucks. When do 4 mans it has to all friends and I have to role as my healer in cleric stance as dps so I can rez him 10-20 times a run.
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