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    raela's Avatar
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    Raela Sarinelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    On STR tanks: I know some people groan and instantly assume it'll be awful, but I've had some really impressive 12k HP / full STR accessory DRK/WARs in ex roulette and Alex normal in the DF.. they keep aggro and I mainly DPS because the fairy is enough to keep them going. I assume it's from having really good CD use?

    DFed into first floor Alex the other day with an AST co-healer. Things were going smoothly and I kept in cleric 99% of the time up until the add spawn after the boss split. My two DPS friends called the main boss when battle started, but it seemed the two other DPS ignored that and didn't go to 0.5 / no one handled add mechanics. Went from everyone mostly ok on HP to all on critical / some dead in seconds.. just ate the wipe.

    Released, ran back, and someone asked what happened.. AST goes "well I can't solo heal it." Oh yeah? Funny thing, while he was sitting at the entrance to complain, one of the DPS accidentally pulled the boss, so the AST got locked out. I easily solo healed it while also adding DPS - and since one of the DPS still was totally ignoring the mechanics, that was with having to deal with unneeded aoe damage. The other DPS tried to pick up on it, but I regularly had an add on my face.
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by raela View Post
    On STR tanks: I know some people groan and instantly assume it'll be awful, but I've had some really impressive 12k HP / full STR accessory DRK/WARs in ex roulette and Alex normal in the DF.. they keep aggro and I mainly DPS because the fairy is enough to keep them going. I assume it's from having really good CD use?
    My FC's main tank is full STR on his WAR and PLD (and he'll probably do the same on DRK). He's religious with his CDs and timing, and not hard to keep alive (assuming things don't get derped) even with large pulls. Rarely loses hate, etcetc. I trust him to tank the difficult or big stuff and keep his peeps safe.
    "I assume it's from having really good CD use?" It's exactly this, as far as I know xD
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Was doing A3 normal last night.

    My co-healer died easily 10 times and I raised them each time (I honestly should have stopped after the 3rd time). DPS and OT were not spreading for + and - teathers so I was getting the debuff every time I got targeted. Got LB3 (why doesn't LB3 fill my MP bar as well? It's bad enough that I have to re-protect everyone and the dang thing can't even give me full MP!) and used it, but by then the other healer had went AFK so I was solo healing anyway. I begged the Bard for a Ballad repeatedly and got nothing.

    We wiped when I no longer had the MP to keep myself and the MT alive. Bard was just kinda like, "You shouldn't be solo healing if you can't control your MP." ASDFGHJKL;'\

    2nd time my co-healer still died a lot. But we managed to clear it. I rolled a 99 on my loot and got 7 commendations.

    Never again. QwQ
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    Last edited by Selli; 09-06-2015 at 05:07 AM.

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    WingsOfAzrael's Avatar
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    Emarial Artayu
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    just finished an a2 df run, healers were fine, dps were fine, 1 tank was fine but this pld omfg after 3 times of being told to tank south mobs still doesn't and healers get wacked by jagd dolls, then second time we get overrun by mobs, and this pld tells healers to watch their aggro, wat. so after he died and not tanking or holding aggro properly i just let him stay on the ground till the end when i revived him after it was over
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    CGMidlander's Avatar
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    Height Error
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    Jenova
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I wasn't the one healing in this scenario, but I had an AST with i29 accessories and a mix of i55 and ironworks stuff with an NQ i115 weapon in Dusk Vigil yesterday. Lol
    The first boss ripped us up and our bard had to kite to finish it off.

    We nearly died to the 2nd boss too.

    Thankfully the last boss in DV is rather slow paced with low damage output; we defeated it with no real issue.

    Honestly, the guy wasn't mechanically bad, but his gear definitely made me scratch my head.
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    Last edited by CGMidlander; 09-06-2015 at 08:19 PM.

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    Mayura Takamori
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    I wasn't the one healing in this scenario, but I had an AST with i29 accessories and a mix of i55 and ironworks stuff with an NQ i115 weapon in Dusk Vigil yesterday. Lol
    The first boss ripped us up and our bard had to kite to finish it off.

    We nearly died to the 2nd boss too.

    Thankfully the last boss in DV is rather slow paced with low damage output; we defeated it with no real issue.

    Honestly, the guy wasn't mechanically bad, but his gear definitely made me scratch my head.
    I had a tank in lv 50 dungeon with ilv 19 ring and rest of his gear was ilv19~55, go figure @_@;
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    Mayura Takamori
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 68
    Healer horror-comedy:

    DF Ifrit HM, both tanks were pretty fresh 50s so knowing i will probably grab hate at some point, i prolonged casting anything. After the first charge almost the whole party was at half hp-ish so here goes medica 2, instantly gets hate from ifrit, cast shroud, hate goes back to tank, regen tank, ppl take dmg... and i don't even know how but eventually ifrit down to 50% ish hp and everyone is dead except me and one tanks with me kiting ifrit.

    So... I'm kiting, raise sch, kite, raise other tank, kite, sch dies, kite, raise sch again, kite, raise monk, kite, sch dies, kite and gives up on sch, raise other DDs, kite, some other DDs die again, kite, and this goes on for 15 min until i got interrupted on a cure2 and dies and we finally wiped...

    Then i asked PLD, why didn't you provoke???

    PLD answered, I thought you were fooling around

    #*(^@#Q%#$@)
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    Genevieve Mhakaracca
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MayuraT View Post

    So... I'm kiting, raise sch, kite, raise other tank, kite, sch dies, kite, raise sch again, kite, raise monk, kite, sch dies, kite and gives up on sch, raise other DDs, kite, some other DDs die again, kite, and this goes on for 15 min until i got interrupted on a cure2 and dies and we finally wiped...
    Quote Originally Posted by MayuraT View Post
    sch dies, kite, raise sch again, kite, raise monk, kite, sch dies, kite and gives up on sch, raise other DDs, kite, some other DDs die again
    Quote Originally Posted by MayuraT View Post
    kite and gives up on sch
    Once you realize that raising your co-healer is pointless during a raid, a part of your soul dies. ;_;
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    Celestia River
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Played as a SCH in Brayflox while doing leveling roulette. Party was filled with 3 other sprouts. Despite tank losing aggro a few times on first boss and a couple trash the run was generally smooth. Upon tanking the boss both dps was dpsing in front of Aiatar for some reason. Only until all 3 of them got hit by Dragon Breath's and inflicted with those stacks of poison ...




    I died of a heart attack as a SCH that night
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by raela View Post
    On STR tanks: I know some people groan and instantly assume it'll be awful, but I've had some really impressive 12k HP / full STR accessory DRK/WARs in ex roulette and Alex normal in the DF.. they keep aggro and I mainly DPS because the fairy is enough to keep them going. I assume it's from having really good CD use?
    Yep that is how it works. More STR helps maintain threat easier, plus self-healing skills/cooldowns are scaled to more damage = more HP healed.

    However, of course with the STR/VIT debate I would only recommend starting to max out such when a tank can play their job correctly with appropriate cooldown use, isn't under-geared, and can meet a certain HP threshold for the instance. WAR has cooldowns like Thrill, Vengeance, and Raw Intuition easily available to help get "Defiance-like" defense while in Deliverance.

    So I always use full STR even in roulette, alex, and Ravana EX. Like I keep a cooldown rotation going from mobs to bosses allowing healers to DPS, or at-least I hope with some DF healers.

    Just like how we healers can use CDs like Bene, Dignity, Lustrate as-needed for a big heal burst for DPSing or what not. Using the big stuff like PLD Hallowed Ground early-on as an option to handle a bigger pull helps too to allow a healer stay in clerics longer, and it'll be up again for that instance. So double win. Of course we've all seen bad tanks go out there "saving" the good stuff like Sentinel and HG and end up never using them. That mindset for trivial content is just thinking there is going to be a fail.
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