We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[Jahaudant]

You could have asked the same question in FFXI. Couldn't vendor anything, quests didn't reward you, etc, yet it took around 4 years for the market to hit peak gil saturation before SE started anti-RMT campaigns.

It was a dollar per mil Christmas day 2008 if I remember correctly.

[Rinsui]

Unbelievable, after 24 pages of reading you still fail to comprehend the predicament in this thread.

The OP questions whether the server will be experiencing a net gain or a net loss, of gil, once players cannot tap into quest rewards anymore.

How this can be misinterpreted as "how to make money on AH", is beyond me.

And the answer to this may be "neither", because barring fixed fees like airship rides and repairs, the system is recursive and self-stabilizing, because
AH taxes are a direct function of the average price levels.
Less gil on the server -> lower price level -> smaller taxes -> less reduction of the overall gil amount without change of fixed influx -> more gil on the server
-> higher price level -> higher taxes -> more reduction of the overall gil amount without change in fixed influx -> less gil on the server (...)

[Asiaine]

Net Gil In to the system must equal Net Gil out of the system, or the system will become bankrupt.
There are many ways for Gil to leave the system (money sinks). Transport fees, taxes, buying items from NPCs.

There are only a few ways for Gil to enter the system (Quest Rewards, drops, selling to NPCs).

Over time, quest rewards diminish. Sales to an NPC are less than purchases form the NPC. Therefore, in time, all money will be gone.

Except! New players will come in (and bring gil from quests with them), but the rate of new players must equal or exceed the rate at which players leave.
Except! You can get a lot of 'gil' from Seals... This may be the new way to introduce money into the economy:
Endless supply of Seals -> Convert to Goods -> Sell to NPC -> Gil!

(not necessarily a good way, but a way none-the-less).

[ErySakasegawa]

You could have asked the same question in FFXI. Couldn't vendor anything, quests didn't reward you, etc, yet it took around 4 years for the market to hit peak gil saturation before SE started anti-RMT campaigns.

It was a dollar per mil Christmas day 2008 if I remember correctly.

FFXI had so much ways to generate gil. Heck, even killing a level 2 Orc gave you some gil.

Beside that, i have to completely agree with the OP. Money is more spend than actually incoming. This needs a fix.

[Thotor]

Net Gil In to the system must equal Net Gil out of the system, or the system will become bankrupt.
There are many ways for Gil to leave the system (money sinks). Transport fees, taxes, buying items from NPCs.

There are only a few ways for Gil to enter the system (Quest Rewards, drops, selling to NPCs).

Over time, quest rewards diminish. Sales to an NPC are less than purchases form the NPC. Therefore, in time, all money will be gone.

If players could understand that.
It doesn't take a genius (but maybe it does seeing all those answer) to see that economy will go bankrupt.
A player should be able to sustain money WITHOUT using AH. Just try it and see how your moneys goes down.

At first I was laughing at gil seller prices but now I understand why it is so high.

It will probably take multiple month before economy crash but at this rate, it is inevitable.
The game does not favor making alt since it is better to have all your jobs on 1 character.

[Ramdragn]

I think we are forgetting all systems are not implemented yet. With fc stores most market taxes will get cut. (That is if the market is global and not local or restricted). I understand this will not generate an extensive income to the system but is an example that all sinks are absolute

[shikarin]

FFXI had so much ways to generate gil. Heck, even killing a level 2 Orc gave you some gil.

Beside that, i have to completely agree with the OP. Money is more spend than actually incoming. This needs a fix.

Not true at all. There was only one way to generate a reasonable amount of gil in FFXI, and that was fishing. (generating gil, not generating items then selling them to other players)

People just whine about gil because they're used to gold being easy to obtain and being virtually worthless. IMO it's nice when in-game currency is actually worth something.

[Akira_Tenshi]

Really? I have been rolling in gil. That is until someone undercuts me by thousands but I have backup items to farm. Botany has been a huge help.

[ErySakasegawa]

Not true at all. There was only one way to generate a reasonable amount of gil in FFXI, and that was fishing. (generating gil, not generating items then selling them to other players)

People just whine about gil because they're used to gold being easy to obtain and being virtually worthless. IMO it's nice when in-game currency is actually worth something.

I did not talk here about the quantity of money you get per event. I did say there were plenty of options. Almost everything in FFXI yielded gil. BCNM/KSNM/ENM did not require any participation fee. ZNM only a small amount, if you don't have a pet to fight in the colliseum. Dailies like Voidwatch/Assault yielded gil, too. Almost every NM, event NM and the event itself gave gil. Totally not comparable to FFXIV.

[Kletian]

Every MMO in the past has had a problem with inflation. If FFXIV is the first to actually keep their money supply stable, it's a great thing.