We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[Promethevs]

Same, missing the Point that way Money only gets moved from one Player to another, a part of it gets lost due to the fees, where does that Money come from the Player spents for your product?

I think you're the one missing the point. I sold to a vendor, not to a player.

Keep in mind too that in 1.0 leves gave just about the same amount of gil, and repairs at a merchant also took about the same amount of gil(which is 10x the numerical value you see now). During that time, the economy was pretty far from collapse still.

That being said, I'm not even saying that it's sufficient or that it's efficient or a desirable mode of play. However, hyperbole saying there's absolutely no way to make gil, that doesn't come from leves and doesn't come from players, won't get you anywhere.

[Deatheye]

I think you're the one missing the point. I sold to a vendor, not to a player.

Keep in mind too that in 1.0 leves gave just about the same amount of gil, and repairs at a merchant also took about the same amount of gil(which is 10x the numerical value you see now). During that time, the economy was pretty far from collapse still.

That being said, I'm not even saying that it's sufficient or that it's efficient or a desirable mode of play. However, hyperbole saying there's absolutely no way to make gil, that doesn't come from leves and doesn't come from players, won't get you anywhere.

Ok sry I've misread that. But that's somethign pretty wierd. I've never played an MORPG where it was usefull to sell anything to the NPC. Did you gather the ingredients for it yourself?

[Promethevs]

Ok sry I've misread that. But that's somethign pretty wierd. I've never played an MORPG where it was usefull to sell anything to the NPC. Did you gather the ingredients for it yourself?

Yeah, I mined and logged the cobalt & rosewood myself. I'll also say though, that I wouldn't be doing that except for the fact that I was leveling. I don't plan on playing that way long term lol

[echogame]

repairs at a merchant also took about the same amount of gil(which is 10x the numerical value you see now)

Except no one bothered repairing at a merchant when you had level 40+ gear, and just shouted or stood around with your flag up for some nice crafter in Ul'dah to come help repair you.

In 1.0, you got dark matter from dungeon runs, treasure chests, and other things that didn't involve spending money. By the end of 1.0, I had more than 2 stacks of G5s from running dungeons and primals. Additionally, you could request repairs for extremely cheap, never costing more than 500g per item w/ a grade 5 dark matter. That's only 50g currently.

In 2.0, the only way you can repair items are through NPCs or buying dark matter. Grade 5 costs 350g each (that's old 3.5k) if you can repair your own gear, and NPC repairs cost something like 5k (old 50k) for a full set to be repaired at lv 50.

Repair bills are seriously astronomical in price now compared to 1.0. Fixing this aspect alone would improve things imo.

Maybe have DM5 be the HQ off of a lower-level DM? I'm nowhere near that high, so no idea if that would be reasonable...

I like this idea. If G5s were the HQ version of G4 from Mining or Botany, that would be more acceptable. SOMETHING where we can acquire G5s from the game that isn't from spending gil or seals.

[Vaer]

Keep in mind too that in 1.0 leves gave just about the same amount of gil, and repairs at a merchant also took about the same amount of gil(which is 10x the numerical value you see now). During that time, the economy was pretty far from collapse still.

Well yes, but there is an important difference. G5 Dark matter dropped off of a lot of the endgame things and it could be gathered. Also, you could request repair and anyone with the right job could fix your things. So really, repairs for the most part were a non issue. You could also change to a crafting class while in a dungeon and repair your stuff on the spot.

Now, dark matter 5 is a lot harder to get. You have to fork over a large amount of seals, or buy from the NPC. It can't be gathered and you can't get anyone to repair your gear so you are stuck with either leveling that craft class up or using the NPC.