We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[AzuraSin]

Finally, someone who actually wants to discuss.

There are two major problems with your argument.

1) You are coming from a legacy server which has a huge stock pile of legacy Gil, so the problems will not be as evident to your server as quickly as they are to non-legacy.

I disagree that this is a flaw in my argument since I know numerous Legacy players who had trouble even making gil in v1. Legacy servers are not swimming in gil, and you can safely assume that item costs in our MW are accordingly higher simply because we have more to spend. The problem would still exist, only scaled up.

2) Non legacy server players are already broke. Last night 2 24 man guilds on Leviathan had to stop raiding because they ran out of Gil to do more attempts.

And did you ask them what they spent all their gil on? Or how wisely they spent it? Saying players are broke doesn't really prove anything by itself; like I said, I knew people who were broke in v1 when there were copious ways to make gil quickly and easily.

That is what this entire thread is about. Without taking money from another player there is no way to "make more money" than we spend on simple repairs and travel costs.

You say "there is no way" but what I think you mean is "I have not found a way."

Where is this magical 5k gil coming from to pay for my hour of wiping to hard mode encounters? Vaer and I may have had a stupid argument a few posts back but he is spot on with his statement.

Is it or is it not your choice to spend an hour wiping to hard mode encounters rather than making money to save up to pay repair costs?

[LordMacabre]

Is it or is it not your choice to spend an hour wiping to hard mode encounters rather than making money to save up to pay repair costs?

Save up how, exactly? Oh, by not playing except to run my leves every 12 hours? And then what, if I do that for a week I can then try to progress my character for an hour or two today?

I have to assume this is some fabricated internet personality and you don't honestly believe this game has a future with that play style.

[AzuraSin]

Save up how, exactly? Oh, by not playing except to run my leves every 12 hours? And then what, if I do that for a week I can then try to progress my character for an hour or two today?

I have to assume this is some fabricated internet personality and you don't honestly believe this game has a future with that play style.

You have to assume that the exaggeration you just made up to sound like the worst possible thing ever isn't actually viable? What a surprise.

[darkm0d]

You have to assume that the exaggeration you just made up to sound like the worst possible thing ever isn't actually viable? What a surprise.

So, since you see to continuously dodge the question, how exactly are players on new servers supposed to supplement their currently gear repair costs from dungeons?

[AzuraSin]

So, since you see to continuously dodge the question, how exactly are players on new servers supposed to supplement their currently gear repair costs from dungeons?

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.

[darkm0d]

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Oh, ok. I don't know if I want to jump in right away and say you're a troll for perpetuating this, or if you are just delusional. Either way, I certainly can't speak for everyone, but no further interaction seems necessary from you on this subject.

[Riviere]

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Troll detected!

[Egonomics]

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.

I'd love to know the way you figured out to make money, and not just transfer money from another player to myself. The most I've managed to get, post level 50, was trading in HQ items for a tradeleve. That gave me a whopping 500 gil instead of the usual 125 gil I'm supposed to get.

Oh hey, look at that, I'm out of leves. Guess I'll just sit there farming goats all day so I can make another player broke instead of myself.

[CrashingWaves]

I'd love to know the way you figured out to make money, and not just transfer money from another player to myself. The most I've managed to get, post level 50, was trading in HQ items for a tradeleve. That gave me a whopping 500 gil instead of the usual 125 gil I'm supposed to get.

Oh hey, look at that, I'm out of leves. Guess I'll just sit there farming goats all day so I can make another player broke instead of myself.

I think you're on to something there. Levequest limits are on a per character basis. With more characters, you'd have more quests... although you're right that it would be nicer to get better rewards, and HQ turn-ins are certainly a good way to do it. The other truth is that farming craft items should result in something more worthwhile to vend rather than trade. All the same, it shouldn't cost the proposed 5k to repair if you have a friendly crafter and the Dark Matter to do it. This is why crafting and community is so important!

EDIT: I completely neglected the other half of the duty finder. Hests have always been my bread and butter while levelling. Not sure about endgame...

[Moods]

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Could you contribute less to the thread? Seriously how about you stop your "I know better than the rest of you" attitude and get in the game and come up with actual solutions, you think people are going broke and writing a 45 page thread because they find it fun? get over yourself.

Playing the auction house is not for everyone, and forcing it upon everyone will only hurt the game, so how about we try and come up with solutions instead of playing the blame game.