We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[AzuraSin]

Okay since no one responded to my original comment, I guess I'll chime back in.

The amount of gil being removed from the server is more than what is being introduced.

For the sake of argument, let's say that this assumption (because that's what it is without any sort of evidence or study) is true. Not picking on you pepero, you're just the most recent as of when I started typing this.

Is the cause because players are spending too much gil on repair/tele/MW, or is it because they're not making enough to compensate for what they spend? In either case, it's not the game's fault (read: not "bad design" as some have said) that money is being lost, it's the players' fault for spending too much gil. People want to talk about simple economics, this is it: don't spend more than you make.

Many/most of you have real life jobs. You spend money on necessities and frivolities. Do you then complain to your bosses or the government that you don't have enough money left over? Do you say the world is broken because you don't make enough money? No, you spend less or you're constantly broke, and you find ways to make more money while spending less of it.

There is no evidence to suggest that there is anything wrong with the economy or the way it's setup, or to believe that it's not working as intended, however, it will take time for players (and prices) to adjust to it. The game just came out. If everyone, on all servers, were broke already then I'd say you have cause for alarm.

The players need to adjust to the game, not the other way around.

[Vaer]

stuff

I think people would have a problem farming for 3 hours just so they could do what they want for an hour.

[AzuraSin]

Exaggerated hyperbole without evidence to back it up

Care to try again?

[Riviere]

this is it: don't spend more than you make.

EVERYTHING in the game COSTS GIL. People have said over and over that if this issue is not fixed then they would have to figure out how much can they play based on how much they can make daily. Your gear gets damaged for pretty much anything, it's not a penalty for death, so by just playing the game, you're paying gil. Are you seriously thinking that people will stay a long time in a game that they can't play because they don't have the gil to do it?

[Scerick]

There is no evidence to suggest that there is anything wrong with the economy or the way it's setup **SNIP** If everyone, on all servers, were broke already then I'd say you have cause for alarm.

The players need to adjust to the game, not the other way around.

There are two major problems with your argument.

1) You are coming from a legacy server which has a huge stock pile of legacy Gil, so the problems will not be as evident to your server as quickly as they are to non-legacy.

2) Non legacy server players are already broke. Last night 2 24 man guilds on Leviathan had to stop raiding because they ran out of Gil to do more attempts.

and you find ways to make more money while spending less of it.

That is what this entire thread is about. Without taking money from another player there is no way to "make more money" than we spend on simple repairs and travel costs.

Care to try again?

Where is this magical 5k gil coming from to pay for my hour of wiping to hard mode encounters? Vaer and I may have had a stupid argument a few posts back but he is spot on with his statement.

[AzuraSin]

Finally, someone who actually wants to discuss.

There are two major problems with your argument.

1) You are coming from a legacy server which has a huge stock pile of legacy Gil, so the problems will not be as evident to your server as quickly as they are to non-legacy.

I disagree that this is a flaw in my argument since I know numerous Legacy players who had trouble even making gil in v1. Legacy servers are not swimming in gil, and you can safely assume that item costs in our MW are accordingly higher simply because we have more to spend. The problem would still exist, only scaled up.

2) Non legacy server players are already broke. Last night 2 24 man guilds on Leviathan had to stop raiding because they ran out of Gil to do more attempts.

And did you ask them what they spent all their gil on? Or how wisely they spent it? Saying players are broke doesn't really prove anything by itself; like I said, I knew people who were broke in v1 when there were copious ways to make gil quickly and easily.

That is what this entire thread is about. Without taking money from another player there is no way to "make more money" than we spend on simple repairs and travel costs.

You say "there is no way" but what I think you mean is "I have not found a way."

Where is this magical 5k gil coming from to pay for my hour of wiping to hard mode encounters? Vaer and I may have had a stupid argument a few posts back but he is spot on with his statement.

Is it or is it not your choice to spend an hour wiping to hard mode encounters rather than making money to save up to pay repair costs?

[LordMacabre]

Is it or is it not your choice to spend an hour wiping to hard mode encounters rather than making money to save up to pay repair costs?

Save up how, exactly? Oh, by not playing except to run my leves every 12 hours? And then what, if I do that for a week I can then try to progress my character for an hour or two today?

I have to assume this is some fabricated internet personality and you don't honestly believe this game has a future with that play style.

[AzuraSin]

Save up how, exactly? Oh, by not playing except to run my leves every 12 hours? And then what, if I do that for a week I can then try to progress my character for an hour or two today?

I have to assume this is some fabricated internet personality and you don't honestly believe this game has a future with that play style.

You have to assume that the exaggeration you just made up to sound like the worst possible thing ever isn't actually viable? What a surprise.

[darkm0d]

You have to assume that the exaggeration you just made up to sound like the worst possible thing ever isn't actually viable? What a surprise.

So, since you see to continuously dodge the question, how exactly are players on new servers supposed to supplement their currently gear repair costs from dungeons?

[AzuraSin]

So, since you see to continuously dodge the question, how exactly are players on new servers supposed to supplement their currently gear repair costs from dungeons?

By finding a way to make money. I thought that was pretty obvious.