Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
Hmm no flames yet? Is everyone from the hardcore thread asleep already? Haha.

I majorly disagree with your central point. We are not beta testers. A lot of people feel lied to or robbed. Square Enix could give them their money back and that's the only thing they could do to shut those type of people up.

I'd say we're playing an Alpha version of FFXIV that we paid for. We're not testers, we're players who have paid for this game. Nothing in this game has really changed since Alpha.

So I'd say to readers: are you happy to play an Alpha version for now? If not see you next time, if so, great. One major point is that the dev team is not focused on delivering hardcore content - they are focused on fixing a broken game. So I'd like to see people's perspectives change on that. The dev team is not servicing the loyal fans - they are fixing the broken game.
Do please keep that hardcore vs casual nonsense out of this thread, huh?

Beta testers are, in effect exactly what we are. As I already said, this is a unique situation in that the game's core is being taken back to the drawing table after it's (extremely premature) release. I don't know if you're just trying to mince words calling it alpha vs beta or what, but that is beside the point and irrelevant to the situation. Call it whatever you like, the game is not "release ready". SE is working on making it such, and is relying heavily on our feedback to make it so.

SE owned up to their mistake(s) regarding XIV. They're doing the right thing by not charging us for 6 months and taking much of the game's core back to square one. To those who claimed that they were "robbed" and deserve a refund, why not take the game back to your local retailer and ask for one? We all know the answer to that. Also, the software license to which we all agreed specifically states that SE makes no guarantee about the state, quality, or availability of the game and that we, as the end-user have no recourse. Standard EULA. But, again, SE did the right thing by manning up to their errors, and are keeping the game free until it's release ready. Stop wasting time asking for a refund. We are not entitled to one, and we are never going to get one.

And of course we aren't happy with the way the game has been. If we all were, would SE and the players even be in this spot? That is a pointless, rhetorical question. I vaguely recall your name from the closed beta forums IIRC. You of all people should know how much ignorance is in stating that this game has not changed since alpha.

On a side note, my main point was not likening us to beta testers, but the to get people to think about the over all task that the XIV team has, and what that means as far as work and time. You don't rebuild something major like the battle system in a matter of a few weeks. This is not a quick fix by any stretch.
Why not help SE fix this game through constructive feedback and discussions, rather than through bickering and whining about things that make no sense at all (like the whole easter thing)? If that's too much for some of you, do please just leave the whole situation for a while and come back either at the PS3 release or when they start charging for the game. This is what it is, folks. The situation sucks and we're just going to have to wait for it to improve... And it will.