Yoshida-san, Where's the Challenge? Where are the Real Changes? END GAME Content?

[Betelgeuzah]

Then why are you agreeing with me?

You also can't differentiate between people who thought the game was "enjoyable" and people who were sticking around only because they were waiting for the game to get better.

[darkstarpoet1]

Then why are you agreeing with me?

You also can't differentiate between people who thought the game was "enjoyable" and people who were sticking around only because they were waiting for the game to get better.

that is also why i said that there was not a single fix to the game and that people were leaving for multiple reasons. some did find it enjoyable and left because it was no longer so and some left because their hopes for the game have been dimmed due to yoshi's new plans.

[Alcide]

Then why are you agreeing with me?

You also can't differentiate between people who thought the game was "enjoyable" and people who were sticking around only because they were waiting for the game to get better.

What? o.O I didn't agree with you...
And I took for granted that everyone wants the game to get better, but still if you play you must find something enjoyable, those that didn't like the game at all left long ago.

BTW what i disagree on is the fact that less and less people are leaving, the difference is that now the hardcore players are doing it. Different reasons, but a lot of people are still quitting.

[Shiyo]

I leveled 1 combat job to 50, now I'm basically waiting until they change the combat system, bring the job system, edit the armory system, and basically completely change the game before I level anything else. Games pretty boring for me atm but I won't quit, and I think I burned myself out leveling too fast, I'll probably have fun again after a few days x_x

I just really want the BIG changes to come already >_<!

[Betelgeuzah]

but i do not like seeing the only challenging things get nerfed to pure laughable quality now.

The content designed for the old battle system is not balanced for the new battle system? That's your issue?

They are not catering to your needs. This is a transition phase and not every patch needs to keep the content perfectly in balance with the changes. Especially when the changes are so massive in scope. As long as nothing becomes impossible to kill post-patch, everything else is unnecessary fine-tuning.

[darkstarpoet1]

The content designed for the old battle system is not balanced for the new battle system? That's your issue?

They are not catering to your needs. This is a transition phase and not every patch needs to keep the content perfectly in balance with the changes. Especially when the changes are so massive in scope.

then make the battle changes and adjust the mobs accordingly afterwards. do not make the only high level content so laughable. make the changes needed to the battle system then adjust the mobs after......i don't understand what's so hard with this.

[Betelgeuzah]

then make the battle changes and adjust the mobs accordingly afterwards. do not make the only high level content so laughable. make the changes needed to the battle system then adjust the mobs after......i don't understand what's so hard with this.

Like I said, the only precaution is to make sure the content is not impossible. Maybe they overdid the changes, but who cares. They shouldn't be tweaking the content for days for combat system that stays as-is for less than a month at time. Change the game, check if everything can still be killed, yes it can/make slight adjustments, move on.

[darkstarpoet1]

Like I said, the only precaution is to make sure the content is not impossible. Maybe they overdid the changes, but who cares. They shouldn't be tweaking the content for days for combat system that stays as-is for less than a month at time.

then they should have used grade school mentality and waited until they made the battle change and adjusted the mobs at the same time. do you really believe they are going to weaken the players this much with their new system? if so this is just another example of going in the wrong direction. if this new system is going to make it to where 8 people have to struggle against the same mob i have been doing trios on for over a month now then they are making a horrible mistake.

[Betelgeuzah]

What? o.O I didn't agree with you...

Then what exactly did you not agree with? Goddamn this is hard. Don't just quote my post, it tells me nothing.

BTW what i disagree on is the fact that less and less people are leaving

When 1000 out of 30k leave the game, that is less than 400k out of 600k. Prove me wrong.

if this new system is going to make it to where 8 people have to struggle against the same mob i have been doing trios on for over a month now then they are making a horrible mistake.

Perhaps this same mob, in the new system, is not a monster designed to be killed with 8 people? Oh dear god, I don't need the maximum number of members to kill this thing, what a mistake to make.

[Alcide]

BTW what i disagree on is the fact that less and less people are leaving, the difference is that now the hardcore players are doing it. Different reasons, but a lot of people are still quitting.

Ehm... can you read? o.O god you're making me feel like i'm crazy... I quoted you coz I was talking in relation to what you wrote, just quoting doesn't mean i agree o.O

EDIT: OMG you geto so silly when you talk about numbers -.-' ok, less people are quitting than before (there are less people in the servers, OBVIOUSELY less people are quitting...), but if you say "less and less people are quitting" I get that you mean that "more and more people are happy with the game" and that's wrong, people are still unsatisfied.

Also, you always say people shouldn't complain about the current changes cause we don't know what the devs hav in plan... well you don't either, so in exemple you can't know if the NM nerf is done taking into account the new battle system or if that's just that they want the game to be easy and accessible to anyone.

What everyone knows: we had a challenge, now we don't, before people were quitting because they didn't like the game, now they're quitting because they don't like the game AND they are bored. Step backwards.