Making gil without relying on the Auction House or quest rewards?

[Egonomics]

Simple question, really.

After hitting level 50 and clearing most of my quests, I realize I'm at a loss as to how to make money without selling stuff on the auction house. I'm not someone who likes crafting or gathering stuff, and I'd rather spend my entire day running dungeons over and over, but that doesn't seem feasible at the moment as dungeons barely give out any money.

I've thought about levequests, but on a 24-hours cycle, that gives a player 6 leves at 400-600 gil a piece. That's less than half what repair costs can end up at level 50.

Is the economy solely founded on selling on the AH? Because that sounds like an awfully broken system without ways to manually generate some money. EVE has a player driven economy but you can still make more than enough by doing game-generated content for as long as you wish, whereas the problem I've encountered so far is that once you finish the generated content you CAN'T make any gil without selling to other players.

[Cycloptichorn]

Just like in RL, you can't pay the bills by having fun all day!

Find something that drops materials that sell for a lot at the AH, and go farm that thing. Otherwise, you'll have to Get A Job just like everyone else.

[Egonomics]

Just like in RL, you can't pay the bills by having fun all day!

Find something that drops materials that sell for a lot at the AH, and go farm that thing. Otherwise, you'll have to Get A Job just like everyone else.

Except this doesn't make any sense from any design standpoint, and it drives the economy towards total collapse. Mending equipment at level 50 already costs several thousands, and I'm in crappy gear. Once everyone gets hit by the money sinks, the entire thing will fall onto itself.

There NEEDS to be ingame generators other than players, it's just not feasible to keep playing past a certain point if the only way to "make" money is transfer what little there is between players because everyone already hit the cap. Even in a real life economy, money needs to be funnelled from something. And unlike a real life economy, this game has sinks where money simply disappears, never to be seen again.

[zenmetsu]

Except this doesn't make any sense from any design standpoint, and it drives the economy towards total collapse. Mending equipment at level 50 already costs several thousands, and I'm in crappy gear. Once everyone gets hit by the money sinks, the entire thing will fall onto itself.

There NEEDS to be ingame generators other than players, it's just not feasible to keep playing past a certain point if the only way to "make" money is transfer what little there is between players because everyone already hit the cap. Even in a real life economy, money needs to be funnelled from something. And unlike a real life economy, this game has sinks where money simply disappears, never to be seen again.

Nonsense. The economy ran for quite some time in 1.0 without "total collapse" as you put it. Man-up and start crafting.

[Ashren]

Just like in RL, you can't pay the bills by having fun all day!

This is easily the dumbest thing I've read on these forums. This is a game and not real life, it's meant to be fun.

[Fuz]

Just like in RL

You may have not noticed, but a game isn't real life.

[Silmarilos]

There is a huge inherent flaw with those saying use the AH or craft. The AH and selling items via crafting is designed as a TRANSFER of money, as in, you take it from someone else. This thread is asking about GENERATING gil from the game itself.

Leves give you an insignificant amount of Gil. Running them is barely sustainable. Furthermore, you are only granted X amount of leves per day.

As someone mentioned previously, in an economy where you can only transfer gil, but not generate it, things can easily collapse in the sense of, people will not be able to repair gear, teleport, etc.. and will end up having to save their Gil JUST TO PLAY THE GAME.

(Continued in next as apparently we only get 1,000 chars per forum post... which is really poor planning on Square's part)

[Silmarilos]

This is a serious problem and I am quite surprised there are so many people opposing the fact here that the overall amount of Gil in the economy is being depleted, not increased, at level 50, due to an inability to generate Gil and high costs for repair/ teleportation.

Is there a way to generate (not trade and get from other players) Gil? If not, Square needs to implement one soon.

[Selyndria]

You make a really good point. I like to sell crafts on the AH but alot of times it takes money to make money. I'd hate to be in a position where I had no money and very little means to make any.

[SolusekRo]

An alchemist can make a Book of Electrum. Everything you need to make it you can harvest. If you decide to vender it it sells for ~200 gil. Make 5 of those and you have 1k Gil. It is not that hard to make money. You just need to get motivated and do something about your problem of bein lazy. If you want Gil then start working for it.