XIV Re-Reviewed on RPGFan.com

[Seif]

explanations do not change the fact that this review is about the game 6 months after release. it's hard for a reviever to give a review on items that are not implemented yet anymore than we can say how great/horrid they are until we play it.

I agree. What we have is what we can play. The pipe-dreams of SE do sound nice but we can't really know if they make the game good or not until we see them. The fact that none of that stuff is yet in the game makes me wonder how long we have to wait to see something substantial.

[Betelgeuzah]

explanations do not change the fact that this review is about the game 6 months after release. it's hard for a reviever to give a review on items that are not implemented yet anymore than we can say how great/horrid they are until we play it.

Yes. My comment was as to how you figured 'at this rate' it takes them 5 years to fix the game, when you don't even know what 'this rate' is before all the content they have been working on is implemented.

At this point it's not even some blind hope that all the fixes we have gotten so far does not create the big picture, and there is more left in store. It has been officially stated.

[darkstarpoet1]

Yes. My comment was as to how you figured 'at this rate' it takes them 5 years to fix the game, when you don't even know what 'this rate' is before all the content they have been working on is implemented.

At this point it's not even some blind hope that all the fixes we have gotten so far does not create the big picture, and there is more left in store. It has been officially stated.

and at this rate refers to in 6 months we have had nm's nerfed, party sizes dropped from 15 to 8, wards tweaked a little, sp increased, behests dropped from 1hour to 30 min, bigger animations on spells, sidequests added, a few new low level nm's, and a few other minor things. i made the 5 year statement as in we do not know when the major fixes will come because we do not know a time table. they may be next month or next year or 5 years from now as far as that goes.

all i was saying is this person gave a review of the game at this point, which is 6 months after release, with what they seen so far added and fixed in the game. next month the review may have completely changed with massive updates, but they cannot review that additions until they have been added to the game. i don't know then the changes will come anymore than you do so alot of the changes may take a month and then again they may take years to get to them. that is something we will just have to wait and see.

[Rydin]

explanations do not change the fact that this review is about the game 6 months after release. it's hard for a reviever to give a review on items that are not implemented yet anymore than we can say how great/horrid they are until we play it.

Hey Darkstar...
And yea, I agree... that's like tasting the chicken when it's half done....

[Jynx]

MMO reviews are subject to the reviewer and I slighty agree with them on this one. Game is still being worked on and in a Beta like phase at the moment. I wouldn't say the changes justified a second look just yet though, but hey it's been a long enough time for them to have a look back and see whats changed.

[Kirith]

I don't see what there is to discuss or argue about here. The reviewer gives a simple description of facts for the most part. The only thing that can be said against it is that a re-review right now is hasty, and is like beating on a dead horse(-bird.)

You can't ignore that there's little wrong in what he says, though. SE isn't following some sort of direction, they're just implementing stuff based on more or less sparse ideas. What the game needs is character and identity and that's the only thing that can't be seen coming from the devs right now.

Still, i am confident in the game's future because of the latest side-quests and the promise of more elaborate quests.
Just hoping big things don't get messed up meanwhile.

[InuraBera]

Not even going to bother reading the review, as I'm pretty sure everyone involved in this site (or at least those who read things) realise that very few of the actual changes that are coming have yet happened at all. As I've said a couple times before, I think it would have been the easy option for them just to shut the servers down then reactivate them down the road, but they gambled that people would be able to understand that things take time - not that they haven't been told that over and over and over again, even by Yoshi-P.

This same foolishness is seen before expansions in World of Warcraft, where they basically obliterate the game with changes intended for the new max level (to the point where a review at the time would probably be scathing) which effectively makes everything trivial - the complaints that it has 'ruined the game' etc are astounding, as they don't seem to realise the intended purpose, particular before the Cataclysm where basically all the quests etc changed following the change in general mechanics.

These forums are a great feature, however, as with basically all forums, I am tired of the peddling of doom and gloom - if you aren't happy with the current state of the game, then leave - or give good feedback. It isn't currently costing you anything, and they don't intend to charge until the game is at a state that THEY think is acceptable to charge for. Yes, you paid the box charge for the game, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has got way, way more than my £40 out of it (Bought the CE) even in this 'state' as people put it. Once all the changes etc have been put in place, come back, try it out.

If it isn't for your tastes at that point, then all is well, if it is, all is well. But this consistent kicking of a game that has been accepted far and wide to be unfinished and is undergoing large, sweeping changes - away from the original plan it would seem to a great extent, is unncessary, causes major friction between the community and leads to folks like myself just about giving up hope on people.

Personally I feel the reviewer (for doing the review at all) either isn't a member of the community and just wants to get a dig in, or is just completely underinformed and doesn't realise that the game hasn't fully been changed yet. This wouldn't surprise me, as the amount of folk shouting their mouths with blatant false information about things that have been either confirmed or information given about on these forums is quite impressive.

Anyway, thats just some stuff I had to get off my chest. Have a good day folks.

[Matty86]

I can only see a review made from fanboys...
Overall 72%? They're kidding right?

Graphics - 96% - The engine is really bad optimized, There are better graphics MMO coming out, there are less HW demanding I should give 80% max

Sound - 60% - OK

Gameplay - 70% > 72% - Really 70%? Guildleves and zergbehest? The worst UI ever made? (FF1 8 bit got a better and responsive UI) Delay betwen active passive, lag ecc? Lack of any type of content, Lack of transportation, NM killable whitout any tactics... 20% is even too much

Control - 65% > 70% - Come on.... if this game got 70% on control side others MMO should got 100000%

Story - 60% > 62% - The story is not even complete, we've got 6 storyline quest...

Overall - 70% > 72% - Overall is still one of the worst MMO ever made like it were on september 2010, 30%

Like I said, a re-review made from fanboys.

[Moth]

I can only see a review made from fanboys...
Overall 72%? They're kidding right?

Graphics - 96% - The engine is really bad optimized, There are better graphics MMO coming out, there are less HW demanding I should give 80% max

Sound - 60% - OK

Gameplay - 70% > 72% - Really 70%? Guildleves and zergbehest? The worst UI ever made? (FF1 8 bit got a better and responsive UI) Delay betwen active passive, lag ecc? Lack of any type of content, Lack of transportation, NM killable whitout any tactics... 20% is even too much

Control - 65% > 70% - Come on.... if this game got 70% on control side others MMO should got 100000%

Story - 60% > 62% - The story is not even complete, we've got 6 storyline quest...

Overall - 70% > 72% - Overall is still one of the worst MMO ever made like it were on september 2010, 30%

Like I said, a re-review made from fanboys.

mad? hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Kazimir]

This dude is a little out of the loop and a moron to do a re-review now. The game is at least a few more months away from being worth paying to play. Basically a waste of time to review the game in it's current state.