EXPLOIT: Amdapor Keep

[icceti]

can i assume those supporting training is an exploit must not play MMOs that much... in aion there are over a zillion videos teaching ppl how to train. especially with clerics. they have a self res and practically die their way to the dungeon bosses, than farm the bosses by themselves.

nobody thought it was exploit...

if the group is okay with it, tank is free to do so... if you're the only one not okay with this method, feel free to drop out.

if you found a way to bug the boss. so it would only melee atk you, no aoe, no teleporting, no adds, no healing, nothing... that is an exploit. which btw, tons of ppl in aion do as well. game dev tried to fix it, but ppl figured out what the patch was and still manage to bug the boss.

if you think training is an exploit, you haven't seen any real exploiting...

[Arcana]

We should put this exploit in the japanese forum so maybe any moderator will read it.

[Strike2wce]

Give me a reason to kill trash aside from the chance of getting 1 gil, or some useless crafting mat, and I'll consider killing the trash.

Time is the only thing worth value in these dungeons.

[Burritoboy]

Put this way to and this is for everyone. SE will determine if this is an exploit not you and not I. If it gets changed it gets changed if it doesn't then stop crying about it. Do the dungeon how you want to do it. Its still the best dungeon to do to gear up.

[Blazza]

Well, SE are now aware of it, if they don't like people doing it they have some very simple options to change it. /thread

[ThePatriarch]

If you don't like it, then don't do it. You can still do a full, slow clear if you choose.

This won't be changed.

[Rurushan]

How can anyone honestly say this isn't an exploit? What purpose do you think the trash has besides slowing you down? If the designers wanted you to just march on through to the boss, why would the trash mobs exist at all? Give your head a shake. Sac pulling can't even be called a clever use of game mechanics, there is nothing clever about it. I feel like this is the first MMO most people have played.

[LebronJames]

How can anyone honestly say this isn't an exploit? What purpose do you think the trash has besides slowing you down? If the designers wanted you to just march on through to the boss, why would the trash mobs exist at all? Give your head a shake. Sac pulling can't even be called a clever use of game mechanics, there is nothing clever about it. I feel like this is the first MMO most people have played.

I can't wait until you spend.. Oh I don't know.. 7 runs.. So that's probably without wipes of course 7 hours? 7 and a half hours if you're using duty finder for sure just to cap your Myth a WEEK.

You're literally spending 90% of that time either clearing trash mobs or wiping to the wall. And that 7 hours is being generous, so many people still don't understand that boss fight that it's completely beyond me.

I've watched someone do a run like this on twitch. Not against this at all. Once you play the dungeon at it's entirety 5 times, you tend to get a little bit bored of it.

[Rurushan]

I can't wait until you spend.. Oh I don't know.. 7 runs.. So that's probably without wipes of course 7 hours? 7 and a half hours if you're using duty finder for sure just to cap your Myth a WEEK.

You're literally spending 90% of that time either clearing trash mobs or wiping to the wall. And that 7 hours is being generous, so many people still don't understand that boss fight that it's completely beyond me.

I've watched someone do a run like this on twitch. Not against this at all. Once you play the dungeon at it's entirety 5 times, you tend to get a little bit bored of it.

So this IS your first MMO, then? Here is how it works: Player gets to level cap, further expansion of character is then decided by gear upgrades. Getting better gear often means running large dungeons or raids but key enemies (bosses) will only drop a few pieces of gear to be divvied up amongst the party. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you dont. But why shouldn't a boss just drop gear for everyone all the time? Why isn't there a simple algorithm to determine what the boss could drop that is an upgrade to you? Why should you ever have to beat this dungeon more than once?

It's simple, the developers want you to keep playing the game so you keep paying them to play, obviously. To do this, they want to balance the time it takes to achieve the upper limits of your character against the time it takes to churn out the next content patch. Ideally, hardcore players (the minority) will be 'done' halfway(-ish) through the lifespan of a current content patch for which they were 'maxed' out in the patch prior to this one. Ultimately though, players with such devotion will likely play the game anyway whether or not they have done everything. Casual players (the majority) will be reaching their limits JUST before the next content patch so they will always have something to strive for and will continue playing (and paying) because of it.

So how do you fill in that gap? Having no guarantee on gear due to random drops and/or rolling against other players for gear is one way. Naturally, dungeons are designed to impede you... otherwise there would be no bosses, just a room with a treasure chest, go get your loot! Bosses and trash mobs are supposed to block your path and make you work for your gear and you are supposed to fight them ad infinitum until the next content patch arrives.

If it sucks for you, do something else. A good MMO will have plenty of distractions from the 'main' goal of gearing up and gaining power. Obviously it will all become boring if you repeat the same things over and over again but it is supposed to be an investment of your time to keep you paying to play.

And 7 hours to cap for the week? Thats cute. And people say WoW went too casual.

Edit: It's an exploit, but I encourage it. Players will inevitably always find the shortest path to power by ANY means available to them in-game. Someone at SQEX is going to see this in action, say 'thats not good game design' and it'll be changed accordingly. The game only gets better because of complaints and concerns made vocal. It's not as simple as having the mobs aggro onto the entire party in a dungeon... there's a clear reason why players are avoiding the trash. I would like to think that the devs would re-examine how long it takes to clear the trash, adjust their power accordingly if necessary, and maybe do something to encourage killing them - improve gil drops, add rare drops that only trash in that dungeon can drop, etc.

[ThePatriarch]

So this IS your first MMO, then? Here is how it works: Player gets to level cap, further expansion of character is then decided by gear upgrades. Getting better gear often means running large dungeons or raids but key enemies (bosses) will only drop a few pieces of gear to be divvied up amongst the party. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you dont. But why shouldn't a boss just drop gear for everyone all the time? Why isn't there a simple algorithm to determine what the boss could drop that is an upgrade to you? Why should you ever have to beat this dungeon more than once?

It's simple, the developers want you to keep playing the game so you keep paying them to play, obviously. To do this, they want to balance the time it takes to achieve the upper limits of your character against the time it takes to churn out the next content patch. Ideally, hardcore players (the minority) will be 'done' halfway(-ish) through the lifespan of a current content patch for which they were 'maxed' out in the patch prior to this one. Ultimately though, players with such devotion will likely play the game anyway whether or not they have done everything. Casual players (the majority) will be reaching their limits JUST before the next content patch so they will always have something to strive for and will continue playing (and paying) because of it.

So how do you fill in that gap? Having no guarantee on gear due to random drops and/or rolling against other players for gear is one way. Naturally, dungeons are designed to impede you... otherwise there would be no bosses, just a room with a treasure chest, go get your loot! Bosses and trash mobs are supposed to block your path and make you work for your gear and you are supposed to fight them ad infinitum until the next content patch arrives.

If it sucks for you, do something else. A good MMO will have plenty of distractions from the 'main' goal of gearing up and gaining power. Obviously it will all become boring if you repeat the same things over and over again but it is supposed to be an investment of your time to keep you paying to play.

And 7 hours to cap for the week? Thats cute. And people say WoW went too casual.

so the tl;dr version is that you enjoy wasting time? I can tell you have copious amounts of experience with FFXIV with your join date and job levels. How about you get past level 20 before you comment on how endgame dungeons should be tweeked?