EXPLOIT: Amdapor Keep

[natwig]

well OP just keep crying about something that is never getting fixed because its not a exploit, as Garnett said its nothing new has been happening since FFXI. Also I am pretty certain that SE knows that this can be done and left it like that so it could be done since the Trash mobs are not that hard there just there to try and make the instance longer. But you keep up that crying i am sure something will get fixed

[Orophin]

yeah cause trashmobs are hard ... wait what ? dude plz think about what you are saying ...

I don't think trash mobs would be put in your way if it was intended to skip them.

Please fix this SE. I don't want to relive another Darkhold experience from 1.0.

[naardejood]

If the dungeons weren't timed then I'd have no problem with this. But the fact that the dungeons are timed means that anything you can do to fudge the system and complete the dungeon before the timer runs out gives you a clear upper hand against one of the dungeon's built-in challenges that you wouldn't otherwise have. Whether you like the idea or not, the timer is part of the challenge and exploiting the game's aggro mechanics to bypass huge swaths of the dungeon removes a portion of the challenge that legitimate players contend with, netting exploiting players their rewards more quickly than legitimate players.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Put some doors and some keys dropped by monsters and that's it.

[Kissker]

This my friend, is called a "Tactical Advantage"

if your tank can handle it - do it. if he can't, strategically plan for plan B.

Why is doing things faster, wrong in some way?

Trash mobs are named "Trash" for a reason.....

be honest your just mad you blow hours at it while they complete it 3x

[naardejood]

This my friend, is called a "Tactical Advantage"

if your tank can handle it - do it. if he can't, strategically plan for plan B.

Why is doing things faster, wrong in some way?

Trash mobs are named "Trash" for a reason.....

be honest your just mad you blow hours at it while they complete it 3x

Running a dungeon as you're intended to run it is plan B? Finding an exploit is plan A? That's your main goal when entering a dungeon? Find out how to get the most benefit out of NOT running the dungeon?

And you're rewarded for completing the dungeon faster, if I'm not mistaken. Exploiting your way past the trash gives you a larger bonus than running it as it was intended. The timer and the trash wouldn't be there if there wasn't a reason for them to be there. I've seen this same argument over and over again on very similar subjects in different games. It always crops up when someone's preferred method of exploiting the mechanics to their advantage comes to light and people are forced to stop exploiting. You sound like one of the douchebags in Firefall that rallied to the forums when their ability to place mineral thumpers on a sheer rock face so mobs couldn't get to it was taken from them. The sky isn't going to fall because you have to play the game you paid for.

And it's not a "Tactical Advantage". That's just an excuse. Exploits don't magically become okay just because you have to find the exploit first. Or hear about it from someone else, as is usually the case.

[Kinseykinz]

This my friend, is called a "Tactical Advantage"

if your tank can handle it - do it. if he can't, strategically plan for plan B.

Why is doing things faster, wrong in some way?

Trash mobs are named "Trash" for a reason.....

be honest your just mad you blow hours at it while they complete it 3x

Because the rewards given by the dungeon are based on the time/difficulty SE believes the dungeon should take/is set at. SE also purposefully changed dungeon aggro after one of the beta phases to avoid people being able to skip 'trash' mobs. So no, this isn't the way SE intended for this dungeon to be run...it might not be a full out exploit that would cause a roll-back and/or people getting banned...but the dungeon should be fixed so this mechanic can't happen.

[Laryndra]

Because the rewards given by the dungeon are based on the time/difficulty SE believes the dungeon should take/is set at. SE also purposefully changed dungeon aggro after one of the beta phases to avoid people being able to skip 'trash' mobs. So no, this isn't the way SE intended for this dungeon to be run...it might not be a full out exploit that would cause a roll-back and/or people getting banned...but the dungeon should be fixed so this mechanic can't happen.

If that is the case they would've put a barrier in place as they have in other dungeons so that this couldn't happen.. So really its intentional and you just want it changed because you dont think its "Fair".

[Raace]

If that is the case they would've put a barrier in place as they have in other dungeons so that this couldn't happen.. So really its intentional and you just want it changed because you dont think its "Fair".

It's an oversight; humans make mistakes especially when the game content is getting locked down for a release build.

[Kinseykinz]

If that is the case they would've put a barrier in place as they have in other dungeons so that this couldn't happen.. So really its intentional and you just want it changed because you dont think its "Fair".

It's not about being 'fair'. It's simple: if we're supposed to 'skip' mobs in a dungeon, then there should be a reason (besides farm faster) for it. Like, for example, the whole party needs to get through this room undetected otherwise a strong, high def. Mob will spawn to 'protect' the smaller mobs, and you get locked in until you kill them.

There is no sport in a 'sac' tank pull...at least not in this case. It just sounds like something that was an oversite, and not something 'working as intended'

And, thinking I don't see it as 'fair' also implies you don't think I'm capable of speed runs...which is not true, but if it makes you feel better fine. But anyway, I'm saying this AS someone who's had to spend countless hours in 1.0, running behind tanks as they leashed entire rooms en route to a boss... /meh. If SE only intended on us killing the bosses, then they should make them like primal battles. Enter room, kill big baddie, leave.


The main point is this: When you somehow circumvent that time/effort and still get the reward intended for a through clear, it needs to be looked at, and potentially 'adjusted'. Now, if SE did expect players to speed run/ sac pull in here, no biggie. Carry on. But most of us would agree...thats probably not what they had in mind, especially after they went and adjusted dungeons so this would no longer happen.