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    BLM Question

    Couple Questions
    1. Should I use The following spells into my rotation. Transpose and Surecast?
    2. What would be considered the correct use of Lethargy and Freeze?
    3. Should I Not bother with Lethargy and Freeze?
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    I havnt even gotten those spells yet but they all sound like cc/pvp applications to me. unless they somehow debuff a mob to increase your dps.
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    Transpose I use for any FATE that removes Blizzard III, or I Fire I too much and need to Transpose for MP. Surecast seems almost useless as it doesn't surepass even Paralyze, though, against Frogs, I can see a use. Freeze I have recently found useful in some of the FATEs in Coerthas, the Ice Sprites in particular, or whatever they're called (name escapes me for the time being). Being a Ranged, MP inducing AoE, it has minimal use as Blizzard II works better, hits harder and faster. Lethargy I can see some use for, say... High end dungeons? But essentially, have a lancer and cast Blizzard 1, has probably a better effect. Transpose really comes into it's own after using Flare, as Flare uses all your MP and gives you the Astral Fire III Buff.
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    I could be wrong as there is no way to test dps that I know of right now, but I personally use Transpose as part of my rotation. To me it just seems intuitive to spam fire then Transpose to get instant astral ice. Otherwise you would need to cast 2 ice spells to gain the mp regen. Also, I'm only level 24 right now, but my general rotation is basically fire spam until you can't, transpose, thunder, 1 to 2 blizzard which you can time just right to have your last mp regen tick as you are in the middle of casting your new fire spam. But let me know if I'm wrong on this, better to find out sooner rather than later.
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    Of course you should be adding Transpose into your rotation to keep your MP up. Waiting for MP = No dps

    A good basic rotation:

    Thunder for DOT
    Fire
    Fire
    Fire
    Transpose
    Blizz
    Blizz
    Scathe

    The above rotation works great and it keeps your MP up so the tank never has to stop pulling mobs.

    FYI, I do not currently use SureCast in my rotation because it's kinda worthless since THM/BLM is a ranged dps. However, it could be useful while soloing.

    Good luck to ya and thanks for considering my input.
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    Last edited by Pure-Wasabi; 09-04-2013 at 12:54 AM. Reason: FYI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucian_Vykos View Post
    Couple Questions
    1. Should I use The following spells into my rotation. Transpose and Surecast?
    2. What would be considered the correct use of Lethargy and Freeze?
    3. Should I Not bother with Lethargy and Freeze?
    1. You use transpose before you have Blizzard III to regen mana. If you get hit hard enough, your spell will be interrupted by damage.
    You use Surecast to prevent this. Basically anytime you are casting and might get hit in a dungeon.

    2. Lethargy puts a attack speed/casting speed/movement sped debuff. You can cast it on adds and some bosses to reduce their damage.
    Freeze sucks. There are some uses with swiftcast but its damage is very poor.

    3. Lethargy is good, Freeze sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure-Wasabi View Post
    Of course you should be adding Transpose into your rotation to keep your MP up. Waiting for MP = No dps
    Transpose falls by the waist side when you get Blizzard III and Fire III. They remove the opposite buff and grant a full stack of their own type (for example, Blizzard III can be cast with Astral III up and after you'll be at Umbral III).
    This is better than transpose which would only give you one stack opposite buff.
    I've found it only useful when you're moving and you want to regen since you can't cast anyway. Also, when you need to aoe adds it might just be better to use Transpose.
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    Thanks everyone, I'm level 38 so I have Blizzard III so i use that instead of transpose but I wanted to get other people's opinions.
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    Transpose main porpuse is so you dont have to cast twice to get Umbral Ice or Astral Fire back up. If you use Blizz or Fire they cancel each other out. So you use transpose to you always have full MP or Astral Fire up at all times. No MP hit transpose while astral fire active converts to umbral ice, cast spells, fill up MP bar transpose go back to nuking. Rinse and repeat. Blizzard does not take the place of transpose it is to make a faster transition of one to the other. Makes BLM the High DD that is suppose to be without having to rely on RDM, BRD, or kneeling(FFXI) to gain MP back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stIcecube View Post
    Blizzard does not take the place of transpose it is to make a faster transition of one to the other.
    This is simply false. You should be careful about the information you spread.
    1) Transpose does not transfer full stacks. It will remove a full stack and give you one stack of the opposite buff.
    2) Fire III and Blizzard III do not function like I or II in that they do not cancel each other out. Instead Fire III, for example, will remove a full stack of Umbral Ice and replace it with a full stack of Astral III. Blizzard III does the opposite.

    As such, Fire III and Blizzard III are the fastest and most efficient way to go from one stack to the other. Their damage is reduced but some is better than none like Transpose. Also, the cast times of the opposite spell is reduced when you get 3 stacks (level 40). This makes the switch even more seamless. Transpose seems to have its uses when movement is requirement, but it is situational.
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