Keeping hate on multiple targets

[Cabalabob]

Honestly I use flash for the sole purpose of keeping the adds off the healer. If a dd chooses to attack an add rather than my target I'll leave em to it.

[Shiftytank]

Hi guys,
I'm new to tanking like a lot of folks in ff14 but not new to mmo tanking in general. My experience thus far ( just the first three instances) has been fairly smooth. I do a simple mark 1 for first focus and by the time 1 is burned I typically can let dd's go nuts. I have found this works on both gld and mrd so far. I def tab target and my 2nd hit (threat boost) is always being thought through. I don't know how it will play out later but I really like it so far. Seems simple enough and dd only really need to assist or focus target once. One would hope that they stay with you the entire time but we all know how that goes lol. I think the only flaw is aoe damage being thrown out from the get go on pull. Any suggestions? Is this simply just a matter of (hey wait a sec b4 you blast away guys)

Thanks,
Shifty

[ZenBear]

Honestly I use flash for the sole purpose of keeping the adds off the healer. If a dd chooses to attack an add rather than my target I'll leave em to it.

That's Flash's primary purpose in a stable fight, yes. But it is your responsibility as tank to control threat in all circumstances, especially hectic ones when people are making mistakes. It doesn't matter whose fault it is; you're the tank, so deal with it.

@Shiftytank:
Having DDs hold back in the beginning is definitely a good thing, and any good DD knows to do it. That being said, a quick Shield Lob/Flash will secure your threat even if a BLM starts throwing Fire II right away (part of you job as tank is initiator, so you should attack first in any case), and you'll have enough time to get a full QB/SB/RH combo off before you need to Flash again and/or switch targets. Just be ready to adjust and improvise as the situation warrants; no single rotation will serve in every circumstance. Mental agility is what defines a skilled tank.

[Gorlioliolio]

I've found threat mechanics to change quite drastically from the first 3 up to qarn now, in the first 3 dungeons I would lob, flash flash then fast blade > riot blade > flash until mob 1 was dead then switch off to mob 2, repeat and by mob 3 no more flashing required so fast > savage.

Now I find that flash agro is garbage except for initial agro to keep off healers while I rotate my higher agro skills in on the mobs, so now its lob, flash flash flash, fast > savage > rage on mob 1, fast > savage mob 1, rage mob 2, fast savage mob 3, back to mob 1 rinse repeat

[Kenji1134]

One of the major things is that classes start getting 10-15% damage buffs, and stronger attacks... All we have for aoe is Flash.
Personally, I hate tanking Qarn because it is the last dungeon before you can sync to 40 and keep Shield Oath. That means that healers are healing more, dps are doing more damage... but PLD STILL doesnt have its 2x hate stance. That stance makes a world of difference.
Luckily at 50, we get the stance, and Circle of Scorn, which is very handy for initial aoe threat.

Frankly the simplest solution for this would be to make Shield Oath be the lvl 30 skill, not lvl 40.

[Shiftytank]

Thanks for replies guys. I should have mentioned that I do start with Shield lob and flash or tomahawk and "forget the name" MRD funnel move etc..At that point I start my rotation and tab target accordingly.I really just like the low maintenance of just marking 1 target.Zen, noted on the AOE action though.TYVM - I don't know if any of the whopping 6-7 runs I have done included some mass AOE from DD yet but I do feel better knowing that I can at least flash and let them go AOE after a few hits.

[Zangerfain]

Honestly I use flash for the sole purpose of keeping the adds off the healer. If a dd chooses to attack an add rather than my target I'll leave em to it.

Thus putting more stress on your healer. Regardless of what the dd's are doing if the tank doesn't know how to keep aggro or get it back if pulled off of by a dd he/she just isn't an efficient tank. And if the tank can't get the aggro back from a dd does that mean I should stop healing the tank since he/she stops doing their job and heal the person that is doing it for them? I think a lot of tanks would be pissed if I did. Its normal to want everyone to perform a certain way in a group environment but to have that you get what you deserve attitude just puts everyone at risk.