Why so adamant on keeping the Market Place?

[Elexia]

And you don't have to collapse and expand bazaars? come up with something better.

Your entire point was the current setup isn't better than what AHs offer, therefore it is you that have to come up with something better when comparing the systems, because all you're comparing is what both system actually employ.

[Chezen]

Where is the poll that says the majority wants an AH?

I'm not denying there is a lot of people who want it, but I haven't seen an actual count. The only mention it had that I know of was in Player Poll the 1st, where it came in second for what people would like to see implimented first, after more story/quests. But that was before the search function was implimented.

[zaviermhigo]

I hope SE doesn't read this and think AH is a big concern. The MW work fine right now, there are a million things they need to fix first, XI did not have an AH its first year lol, and people sold stuff on bazaars, but that was like the first MW we had. They can fix so much more crap before even considering an AH

[Elexia]

Where is the poll that says the majority wants an AH?

I'm not denying there is a lot of people who want it, but I haven't seen an actual count. The only mention it had that I know of was in Player Poll the 1st, where it came in second for what people would like to see implimented first, after more story/quests. But that was before the search function was implimented.

The first poll, AH was literally on the lowest point, people rather have seen the game redone than have an AH.

[Mack]

Where is the poll that says the majority wants an AH?

I'm not denying there is a lot of people who want it, but I haven't seen an actual count. The only mention it had that I know of was in Player Poll the 1st, where it came in second for what people would like to see implimented first, after more story/quests. But that was before the search function was implimented.

That's the one. Second place only because the game needed and still needs more content.

Your entire point was the current setup isn't better than what AHs offer, therefore it is you that have to come up with something better when comparing the systems, because all you're comparing is what both system actually employ.

So you agree that your reason was crap? I have come up with something better, in fact my entire argument is pretty solid, go ahead and read it its spread out in the entire topic now. Again, SE hasn't told us why they're sticking to retainers and people are trying their hardest to justify them. AH's may not be better by a lot from the MW, I agree, but they're still better nonetheless so unless retainers have some otherworldly use to them I would still like an answer from SE.

[BlaiseLallaise]

I know I'm in for a lashing here, but can I turn around the original topic for a second?

Why so adamant on replacing the Market Wards with an Auction House? Is it that much of a hassle? Is an AH so much better? Like it or not, they're on pretty equal footing. They both have advantages over the other. Some people will always prefer one over the other. What's the point in this continued argument?

[Abriael]

So you agree that your reason was crap? I have come up with something better, in fact my entire argument is pretty solid,

Considering that your entire argument is based on a "majority" for which you have no numbers (and very possibly doesn't exists) and on the fact that you personally like an AH more than Market Wards, i see no solidity there.

This without mentioning that while there's absolutely no function of an AH that cannot be implemented in the market wards, there are several areas of the market wards that cannot be implemented in a classic AH system (visual shopping and impulse purchases are two prominent ones).

The fact that an AH works well on SOME other games (not all games have one, and there are several alternatives that work very well in other games), doesn't make it the only viable system. It's that simple.

[Dreamer]

Because "overhauling the game" takes a lot of resources, and it's silly to use even more resources to create a whole new system in place of one that works well just because some people are so morbidly attached to a system present in other games that they cannot even fathom the viability of an altrnative?

Bolded is what I feel is the real issue with a large portion of the people clamoring for an AH.

[Elexia]

So you agree that your reason was crap?

So in other words, you have no true reasoning for wanting the MW gone. You didn't come up with something better as your line of logic was that the AH cuts out the need to travel between retainers, which is what you get when you "read between the lines", yet with an AH you have to travel between categories to find what you want unless you know the specific search ID that you better hope and pray the database ID is the same as the in-game ID they want you to use for searching.

[Mack]

I know I'm in for a lashing here, but can I turn around the original topic for a second?

Why so adamant on replacing the Market Wards with an Auction House? Is it that much of a hassle? Is an AH so much better? Like it or not, they're on pretty equal footing. They both have advantages over the other. Some people will always prefer one over the other. What's the point in this continued argument?

No lashing, I would hope we can all have a normal conversation. To answer your question, I'll say it again, I'm not here trying to get an AH implemented, I want to know why they're so adamant to sticking to MW. There are no benefits for a MW over an AH, atleast not anything that can't itself be coded into an AH (and the convenience of not having to run all over the place with the AH gives it the edge) unless I'm missing something here?