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    Skavian's Avatar
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    Skavian Taliesin
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    Conjurer Lv 54

    Is it a DPS loss to use macros?

    So I was trying to clean up my action bars a bit and made some macros. I made a nice one for Raging + IR + Hawk's Eye..

    Then I made one that does Venomous Bite > Windbite with a delay of 2.5.. but it feels SO SLOW compared to hitting it normally.

    Is it just me or is this a DPS loss when you macros abilities together with the 2.5 delay? When I try 2.4 I get the "too soon" error so I know it doesn't round the decimal - but it doesn't work with 2.49 either.
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    Norack Sunstorm
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    It is definitely a loss.

    Hmm it is odd since 1.0 had much higher latency problems than ARR has, and in 1.0 i could get away with using a /wait 1. It could probably be just due to congestion, cause again in 1.0 a /wait 1 worked for me after maintenance (if it works) I would suggest trying to change your macro to /wait 1 and see if it works, theoretically you should be able to do less than /wait 1, but i think 1 second is fast enough for this game.
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    Dixa Lorvaelis
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    macro'ng abilities that are off the gcd - like bloodletter and misery's end - is a dps gain

    macro'ng abilities in a castsequence as you have is a dps loss
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    Prism Lightweaver
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    1. The game does not accept decimals for /wait. When you type /wait 2.5 the game rounds this number up to 3 which is why it seems so slow to you. When you type /wait 2.4 the game rounds down to 2 and because macros cannot be queued up you get the "too soon" error. Because of this putting multiple on-GCD abilities into a macro will lower your DPS.

    2. The game has the one of the worst gameplay mechanics ever: Animation Lag. Even if you use an ability off the GCD you cannot use another ability immediately afterwards (some abilities may not have enough animation lag to be noticeable but others most definitely do). For example, a BLM macro like this:

    /ac "Swiftcast" <me>
    /ac "Raging Strikes" <me>
    /ac Fire III

    will not work with one key press. That being said, spamming this macro will probably be slightly faster than spamming each separate ability so there is a small advantage to a macro like this.
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    Sizah Nelhan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic View Post
    2. The game has the one of the worst gameplay mechanics ever: Animation Lag. Even if you use an ability off the GCD you cannot use another ability immediately afterwards (some abilities may not have enough animation lag to be noticeable but others most definitely do). For example, a BLM macro like this:
    This pisses me off so bad. One of the only things that makes me not want to play THM. There's nothing more annoying than using thinking you've used Transpose, using a Blizzard 1, only to realise Transpose never went off and you just dispelled your Astral Fire buff, leaving you with no mana and no buff to regen...
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    Astarotte Niuhali
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    I use a macro to put up my DoTs as SMN as it's a pain to cast them one by one(kills my wrists after awhile). Also macro my buffs that don't use the GCD together(Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur)
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    Scarzi Palladine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slirith View Post
    I use a macro to put up my DoTs as SMN as it's a pain to cast them one by one(kills my wrists after awhile). Also macro my buffs that don't use the GCD together(Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur)
    whats the macro, because I have to hit the macro more then once to even get it to cast everything.
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    Player Reiterpallasch's Avatar
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    Arya Stark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic View Post
    2. The game has the one of the worst gameplay mechanics ever: Animation Lag. Even if you use an ability off the GCD you cannot use another ability immediately afterwards (some abilities may not have enough animation lag to be noticeable but others most definitely do).
    There is no "animation lag". You simply cannot use an ability for a short time after specific ones, such as offensive CDs. You can be in the middle of the longest animation in the game and still fire off something like bloodletter in the middle of it with no issues.
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    Silentlock Knight
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixa View Post
    macro'ng abilities that are off the gcd - like bloodletter and misery's end - is a dps gain

    macro'ng abilities in a castsequence as you have is a dps loss
    If this is the case is it ok to marco Bloodletter and Misery's end to all your basic DPS skills? like windbite and viper? or Heavy shot and straight shot? Does anyone actually have a useful macro to use for level 60 BRD? I will do anything to lighten the load and allow me to focus on more DPS without worrying about procs.
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    Dantos Vanroe
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaste View Post
    If this is the case is it ok to marco Bloodletter and Misery's end to all your basic DPS skills? like windbite and viper? or Heavy shot and straight shot? Does anyone actually have a useful macro to use for level 60 BRD? I will do anything to lighten the load and allow me to focus on more DPS without worrying about procs.
    I macro both to my main attacks (Heavy Shot, Venomous/Wind Bite), mainly because there's no buff or proc indiciator that bloodletter's cd has reset, leading me to not notice, and I dont want to be staring at my hotbars all day.

    I wouldnt use it on straight shot, since you're going to want to hit it when you get the proc.

    I would say the most important thing, if you go the macro route, is to notice if you have the misery's end animation or bloodletter animation, so you can immediately hit the button again to use your intended attack. Of course this has lead me to spam keys.

    Im sure, in a perfectly played situation, its a dps loss of some degree, but it helps me manage bloodletter at least, so it works for me.
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    Last edited by Vanroe; 07-17-2015 at 01:16 AM.

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