Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Dervy]

Yah it's worded poorly. His tests show it at being 98.66 potency per average AA.

Btw, you got anymore Determination Data I can use? I'm gathering DET data from 300-660 STR then plotting it, then going to do the same with 0 WD - 58 WD. I got all this week free to do a lot of data collection.

[SunnyHirose]

I got three more 333 STR data points, but... finals wait for no one, I'm afraid!

determination 333 STR ability 333 STR AA
240 121.833333333333 117.666666666667
255 122.916666666667 120
266 123.5282051 120.5
281 124.555555555556 122.5
302 125.7 124.5
306 126.166666666667 125.5

What I've been trying to look into is whether we are violating some of the assumptions of least-squares regression and should be using a different solver approach (conclusion: we probably are, but I can't tell whether it'd even make a difference or how to go about it). This stuff is making my head spin a bit....

[Dervy]

Yeah don't worry about it. You focus on your Finals mate! I should have a lot of data by the end of the week hopefully and send them over to you to look at, once you've finished IRL stuff of course

EDIT: If anyone has any datapoints collected so far on their Dragoon, they're welcome to lend me a hand and tell me how accuracy this is:

(Potency/100)*((WD*0.104+2.374)*(STR*0.0268+1.682)*(DTR*0.00073+1.189))

It's rounded up cause I cba dealing with numbers in the 10th decimal. It's accurate, but I'm still collecting more DET Datapoints obviously to compare how this formula scales Determination, in comparison to in-game parses.

EDIT 2: If anyone has the Dreadwyrm Chest + Legs, I need min/max data logs of 58WD, 660 & 648 STR with below 340 DET @ 150 potency and the Auto-Attack logs. Lower the DET, the Better. Especially Auto-Attacks. Even better would be min/max values of fully comboed Full Thrusts for more accuracy. I really need these.

[HulveinBlitz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...4e0QM3SY#t=429

Weeeeeell.

[Noxotic]

For a better quality view. Shows LB and one of DRGs new moves.

https://youtu.be/RGOIF_7vuLw

[Dervy]

Dat LB tho.

Eye of the Tiger Dragon

Also, it looks like we got a new self-buff ability 5:27, at 7:02 we have a new Skill which leads off Vorpal Thrust. And yes, 5:27 is a new buff and not the Limit Break. The Animations are completely different. Benchmark will be released 16:00JST, 08:00BST, 03:00am EST. I'll assume abilities will be datamined and posted an hour or two after the release.

[Viridiana]

Dat LB tho.

Eye of the Tiger Dragon

Also, it looks like we got a new self-buff ability 5:27, at 7:02 we have a new Skill which leads off Vorpal Thrust. And yes, 5:27 is a new buff and not the Limit Break. The Animations are completely different. Benchmark will be released 16:00JST, 08:00BST, 03:00am EST. I'll assume abilities will be datamined and posted an hour or two after the release.

You just made me look up BST. >_>

On topic, are you going to use the data mine to get a head start on the new rotation, or wait until launch because a lot can change in 6 weeks? Also, Dragon Spirit being the LB instead of a reraise effect is giving the average DRG a lot of credit, no?

[Dervy]

Yuuuup that's exactly what I plan to do. Or, at least play around with the new skills with potency changes etc so if they do decide to change some of our abilities, we'll have a solid rotation from Day 1 (maybe not perfect, but solid) and be ahead of the game.

It'll be very hard to talk about it on the forums however. We'd have to use mock-up names of the sort, as I'm pretty sure SE are going to be cracking down heavily on Datamined information. They did it with SMN/SCH and they went absolutely balls deep with the 2.2 Data-Mine, even getting their representatives to contact Blue Gartr and other websites hosting the information to remove it completely.

Which is why I'm thinking of not making the 3.0 topic yet... Don't want that forum ban yo.

Also, Dragon Spirit being the LB instead of a reraise effect is giving the average DRG a lot of credit, no?

But if we were given a reraise LB, then who would tank the floor?

[Mibhas]

Fuller Thrust?

[ColdestHeaven]

Uhm, the paladin uses Shield Lob+Riot Blade+New skill - which seems kinda off considering that Riot Blade has no effect whatsoever when uncombo'd (like Vorpal). Unless they change anything, at least. I think it's possible that they didn't really make them use the abilities correctly for whatever reason.

Edit: Mibhas I love you for that gif.