Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[CesarLongsword]

What I feel would be most appropriate:

Jump
- C/D reduced to 30s
- Potency increase to 250

Power Surge
- C/D reduced to 30s

Dragonfire Dive
- C/D reduced to 60s.
- Potency increase to 300

Plebotomise
- Potency increase to 200
- DoT potency increased to 30

Chaos Thrust
- DoT Potency increased to 40

Enhanced Blood for Blood (Trait)
- C/D also reduced to 60s
- Decreases damage received from 25% to 15%

I'm still on the edge of having Heavy Thrust boosted by a further 5% however. I'd also like Spineshatter Drives stun to change into a debuff. Maybe 10% increased damage for 10s instead? It'll keep the same cooldown and the low-damage to balance it out.

those are quite a few changes, but drg needs them badly to keep up with mnk/nin at this point. honestly i dont think SE will put enough effort in to do all this, just look at blms

on a side note, am i the only drg that DOESNT want all these cd reductions on jumps? animation lock is still a thing. i guess spineshatter/DFD lock isnt to much of a problem, but jump has gotten me killed more times than i would like. i wouldnt mind a SSD or DFD reduction but i have seen many call for a jump reduction

like for example in t10, my group tanks the boss on top of the ground lightning aoe. so if i use any jump i am dragged into that aoe for half a second and depending on how universal dot ticks happen i can end up dead when that tick dmg is coupled with another mechanic. i try to save jumps for when i have second wind or bloodbath ready so i dont die, but if the way to increase dps is by using jumps more often, it will just end with more "Loldrg".

[LunaHoshino]

on a side note, am i the only drg that DOESNT want all these cd reductions on jumps? animation lock is still a thing. i guess spineshatter/DFD lock isnt to much of a problem, but jump has gotten me killed more times than i would like. i wouldnt mind a SSD or DFD reduction but i have seen many call for a jump reduction

No, I'm with you: I only use my jumps when I am absolutely sure that the enemy is not about to use an AoE. I won't even touch jumps on fights like Titan EX or Levi EX.

[Itseotle]

like for example in t10, my group tanks the boss on top of the ground lightning aoe. so if i use any jump i am dragged into that aoe for half a second and depending on how universal dot ticks happen i can end up dead when that tick dmg is coupled with another mechanic. i try to save jumps for when i have second wind or bloodbath ready so i dont die, but if the way to increase dps is by using jumps more often, it will just end with more "Loldrg".

I do not mean to offend, but it just sounds like you need to learn your timings a bit better, ie. Don't jump when its not safe, and hold some restraint. I know exactly what your talking about with the lightning in T10. What I do is just don't chance it until after Heat Lightning and Prey

[CesarLongsword]

I do not mean to offend, but it just sounds like you need to learn your timings a bit better, ie. Don't jump when its not safe, and hold some restraint. I know exactly what your talking about with the lightning in T10. What I do is just don't chance it until after Heat Lightning and Prey

oh, i do the same typically. its just the fact you are having offGCDs just sit there off cd = wasted dps. if they reduced the cd of these jumps it would only = more wasted dps
i typically am busy racing dps with a ninja friend. sometimes i get greedy and die cuz of it lol

"Before we added ninja, monk was clearly the better DPS but had a way higher skill ceiling so this difference was ok."

quotes like this from yoshida worry me

honestly all dps played perfectly should either be similar in dps to each other or bring some kind of utility to balance out the lack of dps

this monk has a higher "skill ceiling" then they can be the better dps I really do not like

a skilled player can reach the skill ceiling of all three melee classes so at that point, you have to play monk because it's the better class according to yoshida

this is what really disappointed me, this just isnt how dps classes should play out. otherwise end game there would be no reason to play classes with "lower skill ceilings". its just stupid logic and the fact yoshi said that i knew these buffs are gonna be a joke, his mindset is just wrong.

[Itseotle]

oh, i do the same typically. its just the fact you are having offGCDs just sit there off cd = wasted dps. if they reduced the cd of these jumps it would only = more wasted dps
i typically am busy racing dps with a ninja friend. sometimes i get greedy and die cuz of it lol

This isn't a problem with the skill itself. Its a situational skill, and all jobs have situational skills. A White Mage shouldn't use Benediction on a target at 90% life for example. Sure a DRG may get punished more for using his situational skills improperly, but they also have more opportunity to use them. You should not be afraid of jumpping, you should just know when to jump.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I died from a ill timed Jump. Titan was a good mentor.

[SunnyHirose]

I'd been hoping for them making Disembowel buff "bleeding" damage or something and then reclassifying several jobs' DoTs, but y'know, balance is a tricky thing :P

[rickyguo]

"Before we added ninja, monk was clearly the better DPS but had a way higher skill ceiling so this difference was ok."

quotes like this from yoshida worry me

honestly all dps played perfectly should either be similar in dps to each other or bring some kind of utility to balance out the lack of dps

this monk has a higher "skill ceiling" then they can be the better dps I really do not like

a skilled player can reach the skill ceiling of all three melee classes so at that point, you have to play monk because it's the better class according to yoshida

[Daweism]

"Before we added ninja, monk was clearly the better DPS but had a way higher skill ceiling so this difference was ok."

quotes like this from yoshida worry me

honestly all dps played perfectly should either be similar in dps to each other or bring some kind of utility to balance out the lack of dps

this monk has a higher "skill ceiling" then they can be the better dps I really do not like

a skilled player can reach the skill ceiling of all three melee classes so at that point, you have to play monk because it's the better class according to yoshida

Exactly, and for any hardcore endgame raider, the skill ceiling is not exactly hard to reach.

[Decrith]

Yea I didn't like it either. I agree that all DPS should be similar regardless of skill ceiling, because a truly skilled player will be maximize the potential a class can do, regardless of whether or not the class is harder to play.

[Daweism]

Yea I didn't like it either. I agree that all DPS should be similar regardless of skill ceiling, because a truly skilled player will be maximize the potential a class can do, regardless of whether or not the class is harder to play.

And isn't this exactly why they nerfed Ninja? Because the skill ceiling was easier reached than they had thought? Raise the skill ceiling on Dragoon, reward skillful play, punish bad play.