Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[rickyguo]

Has anybody checked to see what the caps are for Kirimu Breeches of Maiming?

same for any i110 main left piece

relevant parts is 29 det 41 crit

do meld a det 4 then crit the rest.

[Griever_Zero]

Hello Guys, Not in the same boat as you seeing DRG as crap for endgame.
But probably will see it once I get past T10.

Anyway, my reason for writing in this thread is T9..
Now I have 6 clears and I have an apparently DPS problem, which I would like to fix.
on T10 I can easily sustain 370+ at the final phase.
Now on T9... 284 was my number yesterday.
I'm not satisfied with that, and neither is a group of friends, they can all surpasse 300 and yet I can't

So for Phase 1
I use the 24 skill rotation as much as I can, hell I even "dodge" the beam to keep pushing more dps.
In other words, I keep HT, CT and Phle up all time while doing combo in between with B4B and IR as well as jumps.
Known number: 361

Now Phase 2
i start using Phle and then HT > IP > Dis > CT and then regular combo to kill the first golem with everything I have, B4B and IR included aswell as MS.
2nd Golem, same as first. 3rd golem, same. But I have reconsidered the 3rd to just get HT up if it's running out then hit combo dep. on it's HP.
Known number: below 300

Phase 3
Same as P1, I do everything to follow the 24 rotation, and I don't have any issues keeping that up, only time I reconsider my position is super nova so it's not to close to boss or MT.
Known number: 301

Phase 4
Same as P1 and P3, I try and keep everything up and running full time while dishing out damage, I'll admit I have timed B4B badly a few times, but all that movement after the 1st fire in is just where I start to lose grip slighty and lose my dots. I have gotten better at reapplying them in time and keep times up all time, except the "uneven" numbered divebombs.
Known number: I don't

Things to note, the known numbers are with the 110 gear set (look below)
I use black truffles, I use X-potion on P1 and P3 opener, on P4 I pop it a 3rd time if possible. I use potent poisen at the same times as X-potion, so 3 times in total if I pop at P4.

My current gear set. 107.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/ODXM

My "possible" 110 set which I refrain to use since I lose 43 Crit hit (8.772 str) vs a 9 str and 51 skill speed gain.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/ODXO

And my planned 112 set if I could get those the freaking drops from Coil 2
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OBP0

So the question is, am I doing something wrong? Is it the 16 str difference (107 vs 112) I miss? Or just not playing it optimal on T9?

Any feedback/critic would be very welcomed.
Teach me if I've done something goofed or just bad stuff

[FantasyForever]

Any feedback/critic would be very welcomed.
Teach me if I've done something goofed or just bad stuff

First I want to say I'm not going to give an in depth response. I don't have time for that at the moment, but you need to get out of that i90 gear. Soldiery is uncapped now there are no reasons to have i90 gear. Also you're way over accuracy for t9 with that first set. If I recall 491/492 is t9 flank accuracy.

[Griever_Zero]

Soldiery is uncapped now there are no reasons to have i90 gear.

I have all the soldiery gear just not all at 110 vers. (look at the 110 gearset)
But I'm well aware about the 90 things have to go, and that's why I'm trying to get the Neck, Head and belt from Coil 2 (look at the 112 set)

Also you're way over accuracy for t9 with that first set. If I recall 491/492 is t9 flank accuracy.

True, I'll admit my acc is slighty overkill. But on the P4 I'm very often in front of the boss until we split for super nova, so that's why I go for the tank acc cap instead, sure might be overkill. But I'm open to change this, but it requires the thunder guy isn't nowhere near me so I don't risk getting one-shot.

[Spartan117]

Hello Guys, Not in the same boat as you seeing DRG as crap for endgame.
But probably will see it once I get past T10.

My current gear set. 107.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/ODXM

My "possible" 110 set which I refrain to use since I lose 43 Crit hit (8.772 str) vs a 9 str and 51 skill speed gain.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/ODXO

And my planned 112 set if I could get those the freaking drops from Coil 2
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OBP0

So the question is, am I doing something wrong? Is it the 16 str difference (107 vs 112) I miss? Or just not playing it optimal on T9?

Any feedback/critic would be very welcomed.
Teach me if I've done something goofed or just bad stuff

Never underestimate STR, 1 STR = roughly 3 Det or 4 Crit (i did my own parsings not just blindly taking these from known stat weights)

Fixed your gear set without SCOB Gear here:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OED6

Like they said, absolutely no reason for you not to Soldiery Gear since it's open farm now.

[Griever_Zero]

Awesome, thanks for that insight, but! you put the Ironworks weapon on = have to beat T11 atleast to be able to get the tomestone needed to get it.
2nd best choice would be True Ice spear = lower Weapon damage.

But I have some good news (for me atleast) As Zeviand pointed out, drop CT and jump directly to FT combo after Dis on P2 which ended up doing much better. Manage to hit 300+ on both golem phases.

2nd thing was my insecureness on P4, which I have gotten a slight better hold on now. And with these things I managed to surpasse 300 and hit 308 with a total of 9 kills now. It's start and hopefully I can keep improving that number!

[Spartan117]

Awesome, thanks for that insight, but! you put the Ironworks weapon on = have to beat T11 atleast to be able to get the tomestone needed to get it.
2nd best choice would be True Ice spear = lower Weapon damage.

But I have some good news (for me atleast) As Zeviand pointed out, drop CT and jump directly to FT combo after Dis on P2 which ended up doing much better. Manage to hit 300+ on both golem phases.

2nd thing was my insecureness on P4, which I have gotten a slight better hold on now. And with these things I managed to surpasse 300 and hit 308 with a total of 9 kills now. It's start and hopefully I can keep improving that number!

Ah my mistake... a lil hard to see things on a small phone screen...

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OFC5

Alternatively as I see that you've already farmed your poetic chest, your next two weeks of poetic can be spent on the helm (a lot more value than the sol helm) and belt (relatively better value than sol belt too)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OFC7

And you should be able to challenge T10 with this comfortably... 517 accuracy still overkill nonetheless but you will need it after T10 anyway.


Sad to say this but I have not attempted T10 with my DRG and had switched over to MNK cause 11 wks of T9 did not give me my DRG Body and Belt, aka my monk is closer to BIS than DRG thus for the raid's sake I had to take my MNK instead.

We've cleared it twice already relatively comfortably and I would say that you will run into BAD TP issues by 2nd add phase for a DRG so be prepared. Positionals and buffs are easier to keep up for DRG due to charge and tether mechanics than MNK thus not so troublesome as compared to T9.

[Griever_Zero]

Ah my mistake... a lil hard to see things on a small phone screen...

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OFC5

Alternatively as I see that you've already farmed your poetic chest, your next two weeks of poetic can be spent on the helm (a lot more value than the sol helm) and belt (relatively better value than sol belt too)

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OFC7

And you should be able to challenge T10 with this comfortably... 517 accuracy still overkill nonetheless but you will need it after T10 anyway.

Yeah, that set seems to work and that was my thoughts as well on Poetics stuff.
That is until I managed to get the T8 head yesterday, decided to push my last Solidiery stuff to 110 (2 pieces) so I could have the "glory" of being 112.

The current set
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OFG6

and if I need more Accuracy I can swap the Astrum gloves to HA gloves.

And T10 went down as well yesterday with the group I was playing with. So T11 now.
We sadly couldn't get our dps numbers, but I can tell you the dps was pretty insane with some help from 2 melee LBs (LB3 + LB1) on the final phase.

My plans is now to save up Poetics for 2 weeks, if T11 seems to be able to go down I'll save them for Ironworks wep, if not, I'll be going for 2 pieces, and pretty good chance it will be Belt and earrings, and possible a ring on the 3rd week.

Sad to say this but I have not attempted T10 with my DRG and had switched over to MNK cause 11 wks of T9 did not give me my DRG Body and Belt, aka my monk is closer to BIS than DRG thus for the raid's sake I had to take my MNK instead.

We've cleared it twice already relatively comfortably and I would say that you will run into BAD TP issues by 2nd add phase for a DRG so be prepared. Positionals and buffs are easier to keep up for DRG due to charge and tether mechanics than MNK thus not so troublesome as compared to T9.

In reg. to change class, while I do have all classes 50 (except Bard & Ninja) I have no intention of changinig, atm I only have 1 2nd job surpassing ilv.90 and that's my PLD.

So if I changed I would have to farm alot more than I wanna do, Good Coil 2 farm parties are far in between, so getting 1 piece I need on a 3-5 day basis is just to slow.

So in other words, Deal with it or don't play with me.

Hopefully with the JP SE post "we have heard you" equals we'll see something soon to help get DRG a better position vs. NIN/MNK

[SpecialKK]

Anyone find that the decrease in jump cooldown is throwing the rotation (and sync with Power surge) for a loop?

[Zeviand]

That's your problem right there. My highest parse on t9 was 343 over a 9ish minute T9. A lot of that damage comes from P4. You should be hitting positionals in P4 until the first fire goes out, then weaving in positionals in between elementals. You can get a heavy thrust off in between lightning and fire, same for impulse drive so that you can finish the rest of the combo safely from elementals. It's all about getting comfortable with that last phase so that you're not just full thrust spamming from the front. Also, in the first page of this thread, I think the guide says that HT>ID>Dis>TT>VT>FT is more potent than just full thrust combo so I would try that on at least the first golem and then full thrust combo the rest if they're too low on health to finish off the combo above.

Hope this helps!