Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Spartan117]

Whiskeybravo, the way to calculate the additional dmg is to multiple by the potency by the percentage buff. Example:

300 x 15% = 45 thus 300 + 45 = 345 potency
Or
300 x 85% = 255, subtract that from 300 (300-255=45)

When you divide 300 by .85 you're finding the number that 300 is 85% of... Or 352.94 x .85 = 300. This is NOT the correct way to find percentage buffs

As well the percentages are multiplicative, meaning with HT your 100 potency skill is hitting for 115. After disembowel (10% buff) the new potency is 126.5 (115 x 10%) instead of 125. This also applies to B4B. Best to go back and read the first page Avyar breaks it all down. I'm doing a terrible explanation.

I think you did fine explaining.

it's just original potency X Total DMG+ Buffs X DMG+ from resistance reduction. That's general rule for weapon skills and auto attacks.


Then we open a can of worms by discussing whether DoT damage is reduced by piercing resistance (Disembowl) or magic resistance (Foe Requiem)...

DoT tick damage btw is determined at the time of application, so if you apply the DoT with your buffs up, the tick damage remains at the higher value for the subsequent ticks until the DoT wears off.

[Alice_89th]

im wondering how you guys macro if at all, i put my power surge in with some combos so it goes off asa available

/ac life surge
/ac full thrust
/wait .5
/ac full thrust

I do have this macro'd, although my macro is as follows:

/micon Full Thrust
/ac Life Surge
/ac Full Thrust

And I just mash the button repeatedly (because I do that anyways).


Chione is right though, it is better saved for BFB.
Personally I tend to forget that BFB exists, so until I learn to properly incorporate that into my rotation I am keeping this macro.
(I need to spend some time with a training dummy to solidify my rotation...)

[Synestr]

Holy cow this is an epic forum. ^.^

I haven't been on my DRG in a while due to play time restrictions and gearing up PLD, quick question which I am sure has been answered before. Rotation wise and weaving in globals. Currently I am using BFB before DoT application as I thought this was best before, namely before ID. From reading up here it looks like I should be saving BFB for LS>FT, is this correct?

Before I stopped playing DRG I was hitting 320ish as i90? Is this a good average or do I need to change some things up to get moar deeps?

Currently my rotation is set up as such:
H IDC P TTT
H TTT P IDC
H TTT P TTT

and burst on boss:
H > IR > ID > BFB > Dis > LegS > CT > PS > Phl > J > TT > SSD > VT > LS > FT > DFD

Is this too outdated? What are some tips and pointers to increase output?

Thanks in advance!

Syn

[Killabye]

ok had to think real hard what bfb stood for, they have the same timers? if so good deal, ill do that. totally didnt know ps didnt work on dd too but im a tank so waaaaaaaaaa

[whiskeybravo]

Best to go back and read the first page Avyar breaks it all down. I'm doing a terrible explanation.

That's how I have been calculating except I had a second thought about the math and wanted to be sure before publishing any results xD

Thanks!

[TheKingSlayer]

I think you did fine explaining.

Then we open a can of worms by discussing whether DoT damage is reduced by piercing resistance (Disembowl) or magic resistance (Foe Requiem)...

Thanks, I was half asleep trying to do the math when I wrote it

The DoT damage is NOT increased by the piercing debuffs, only the initial skill is. The initial potency of the phleb or CT skill is given the piercing debuff but the DoT ticks unfortunately don't get the benefit.

Spartan is spot on with the snapshot of buffs and ticks. Not that this would every really happen, but if for example B4B, HT, and IR all have 1 sec left when you applied chaos thrust, all the ticks over the next 30 secs from CT will buffed by those three even though they fell off immediately after application.

[ColdestHeaven]

im wondering how you guys macro if at all, i put my power surge in with some combos so it goes off asa available

I never really used macros for Dragoon, to be honest. I find that small pause between each command when there are more strings (example, Life surge + Full thrust), plus not having visually distinct cooldowns, disturbing. I prefer to know when I'm popping each action/cooldown, especially since some CD coming up at certain time in the fight can help memorizing pattern/timings in certain bosses.

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This is the one that I use, roughly (I usually switch B4B and IR, not sure if I should do the other way around). There seems a debate as to whether there is or not a better initial burst, but it is nowhere near "outdated".

[melflomil]

I'm not a dragoon by heart but probably my favorite class because of dragon fire dive. I forget the name of the move that guarantees a crit hit but it doesn't work with dragon fire dive. It only crits the enemy targeted the AOE part doesn't crit which I personally think is lame.

[FenHin]

I hope I'm not too out of topic. Can anyone tell me what the good of Elusive Jump that it have 3 minutes cooldown?

[Decrith]

I hope I'm not too out of topic. Can anyone tell me what the good of Elusive Jump that it have 3 minutes cooldown?

A gap closer that reduces your threat by half.