Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Ayvar]

Hey ayvar, which is most up to date and more damaging. The YouTube video showing rotations or your initial post here? I wanna use that "second" rotation you displayed in YouTube using BFB right after HT. Or can I stick with the final form you have in the forum which has IR after HT instead.

Whatever contributions I have provided are contained within this thread only, including the most up-to-date rotation and the one I use myself. This is also why I prefer forum content over alternate methods such as Reddit or Youtube because new information can be very quickly provided/edited in, and you are not reliant on "upvotes" or likes, if someone has something new to say it gets added at the end of the thread and bumps it to the top. I have no Youtube videos, so I'm not sure to what you are referring to, but sticking to the advice contained within this thread should provide everything you require. Any new information will find its way into the discussion or main post very quickly.

Which reminds me that I should edit the accuracy section, I think we have enough information from the last month to be pretty confident about the back/flank/front accuracy differences.

[whiskeybravo]

I see. Thanks for that.

Does DET really outweight CRIT by that much?
I was playing around with my sets, i liked seeing big numbers with 510 crit (constant hard hitting FTs), but i guess the way to go for the long run is determination?

Since i read that determination is .323 and crit is 0.184, i guess big numbers don't make up for the loss in DPS.

I don't really know.. It seems like crit could put more damage out, especially if you got lucky with a string of them, but I guess Det is the more consistent stat and doesn't rely on RNG to be effective.

[whiskeybravo]

Hey ayvar, which is most up to date and more damaging. The YouTube video showing rotations or your initial post here? I wanna use that "second" rotation you displayed in YouTube using BFB right after HT. Or can I stick with the final form you have in the forum which has IR after HT instead.

I thought that it was better to use B4B first because of the longer CD/longer duration. I don't know anything though lol

[Ayvar]

Also if KrystalF is still around, do you mind producing the same tables I have linked to in the main forum post (turn 5, pre-turn 5, pre-Primals), but going down to 458 accuracy instead of stopping at 460?

[EasymodeX]

Does DET really outweight CRIT by that much?

Since i read that determination is .323 and crit is 0.184, i guess big numbers don't make up for the loss in DPS.

Per point, DTR destroys CRT. Keep in mind that every point of DTR takes up more gear budget than CRT however. For example, on a particular tier of item, the game may provide 11 DTR or 16 CRT. So you get more CRT for the same "slot" on an item compared to DTR.

This narrows the gap between DTR and CRT.

For example, each point is DTR is worth roughly ".323" to CRT's ".184". However, on a particular item you would get 11*.323 = 3.553 value from DTR versus 16*.184 = 2.944 value frmo CRT.

DTR is still better, since 3.553 > 2.944, but it's not by a gigantic amount.


That aside, you get the biggest crits with more DTR because then you have the highest base damage ^_^.

[VaShawn]

Whatever contributions I have provided are contained within this thread only, including the most up-to-date rotation and the one I use myself. This is also why I prefer forum content over alternate methods such as Reddit or Youtube because new information can be very quickly provided/edited in, and you are not reliant on "upvotes" or likes, if someone has something new to say it gets added at the end of the thread and bumps it to the top. I have no Youtube videos, so I'm not sure to what you are referring to, but sticking to the advice contained within this thread should provide everything you require. Any new information will find its way into the discussion or main post very quickly.

Which reminds me that I should edit the accuracy section, I think we have enough information from the last month to be pretty confident about the back/flank/front accuracy differences.

Appreciate the feedback sir!

[VaShawn]

Any suggestion as to having fracture at all? The other cross abilities are useful. What cross class skill is worth replacing fracture if need be?

[Crush3r07]

What skill did you miss with and where you standing near the front, flank, or rear of Twintania? Or did you miss on the snakes?

And gratz Krym ^_^

Def snakes, It was a four hour session so the combat log didn't go far enough to see what skill missed. It could be auto attack also. Sorry I can't be as detailed as everyone else's fancy reports. I filtered log to only show me missed skills and it didn't go back far enough.

[PArcher]

Any suggestion as to having fracture at all? The other cross abilities are useful. What cross class skill is worth replacing fracture if need be?

I have Foresight, Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke, Second Wind and Internal Release.

[Ayvar]

Any suggestion as to having fracture at all? The other cross abilities are useful. What cross class skill is worth replacing fracture if need be?

You can have Fracture if you want, but it is better to try to get the extra Full Thrust combo instead of using Fracture in your rotation. As long as you have Mercy Stroke and Internal Release you've maximized your damage cross-class abilities, so everything else is personal choice. Second Wind is always good, the 5% healing boost from Mantra is nice on big AE fights like Titan Ex, Bloodbath is nice for persistent AE where you want to be more self sufficient and relieve a little of the healing pressure (like Ifrit Ex nail phase and T4 knights/soldiers), Keen Flurry is great in some situations (e.g. again the AE from Knights/Soldiers on T4), I even use Skull Sunder sometimes if I want to hold aggro on something (e.g. the 3rd rook in T4 or an add on Titan Ex).

Think of your cross-class abilities as a toolbox. You have 3 slots for tools, all of which can accomplish something different but potentially useful in the right situation. Once you figure out what you want, you can choose the correct tools to help you get it done.