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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    DET also affects base damage
    That is assuming DET does stuff at 202. It does not have to. Crit at 341 doesn't do anything, neither does Spellspeed. Why would Det have to do anything at 202?

    Again: Take a naked Paladin at 202 STR/MND/DET. If you add any sort of weapondamage, it will exactly add potency*WD damage or magicdamage*potency healing. Not more and not less. It's extremely unlikely that Weapondamage is first reduced to a low digit value, to then be multiplied again by some multipler created from 202 STR/MND/DET. It's far more likely that at 202 BaseSTR/MND/DET you are looking at a 1.0 multiplier for WD/MD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    That is assuming DET does stuff at 202. It does not have to. Crit at 341 doesn't do anything, neither does Spellspeed. Why would Det have to do anything at 202?
    The problem is that if you go below 202 DET (Gaol Debuff in Titan), it lowers your damage. This was proven last year, unless going below 202 DET gives a negative value, but that's something I seriously doubt. Determination affects your damage from 1-50. The reason why you don't see the affect of Determination at such low values like Base STR/WD is because the damage increase per Determination scales higher with more Strength.

    As for WD not being scaled down before being multiplied, that's something I've considered. But, by removing the WD*A coefficient with the expression I'm currently using, absolutely butchers the damage values I end up with.

    I did have an expression before, where WD was on its own, and it was something like (WD*STR)+(STR)*(DET), with their coefficients, but the calculated damage wasn't as accurate as what I'm currently... And the formula was just too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    The problem is that if you go below 202 DET (Gaol Debuff in Titan), it lowers your damage. This was proven last year, unless going below 202 DET gives a negative value, but that's something I seriously doubt.
    Wasn't that a mistranslation? The debuff was simple called Determination down - later it was renamed to "Damage down". Plus that debuff did not affect healing done - which would be impossible if it actually changed Determination.

    Edit: Not missing Hirose's post above the quote would've helped.
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