Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Empressia]

Any specialized tips for T8 on DRG? Our DRG can't seem to hit 450s even with full i110 (no HA spear though). He saves Dragonfire Dive for the first Dread and only does CT combo + Phleb on the Dreads for maximum milking but he's still not pulling even his training dummy numbers.

Lemme give ya some insight then :
1. Sub 450 is always attributed to LM duty, many towers (more than 2 times) assignment, balistic missile assignment
2. DoTs is for boss not dread, always hit DN with non DoTs
3. If ur DRG got HA, is he/she able to hit the boss without fearing the BRD missed homing?
4. In any event he/she have to move faraway from boss, is he/she saving gap closers aka Spineshatter, reverse Elusive and DD? or he/she's just like me using gap closers for off gcd (using gap closers or not is very mechanics RNG dependant)
5. Is ur DRG using HQ foods or X pot of STR HQ twice (at the beginning of fight and later at the end of the fight?)

[ColdestHeaven]

Lemme give ya some insight then :
1. Sub 450 is always attributed to LM duty, many towers (more than 2 times) assignment, balistic missile assignment
2. DoTs is for boss not dread, always hit DN with non DoTs
3. If ur DRG got HA, is he/she able to hit the boss without fearing the BRD missed homing?
4. In any event he/she have to move faraway from boss, is he/she saving gap closers aka Spineshatter, reverse Elusive and DD? or he/she's just like me using gap closers for off gcd (using gap closers or not is very mechanics RNG dependant)
5. Is ur DRG using HQ foods or X pot of STR HQ twice (at the beginning of fight and later at the end of the fight?)

Just a note for N.4.

My group employs the single tank method, meaning the second in aggro is always a DPS. That DPS will never be targeted by Allagan Field - meaning, he'll have close-to-constant uptime (except during other duties). The moment he uses Elusive to close the gap, he's going to lose this advantage (if he was second in aggro to begin with). So it depends on the situation, imho.

[PArcher]

Just a note for N.4.

My group employs the single tank method, meaning the second in aggro is always a DPS. That DPS will never be targeted by Allagan Field - meaning, he'll have close-to-constant uptime (except during other duties). The moment he uses Elusive to close the gap, he's going to lose this advantage (if he was second in aggro to begin with). So it depends on the situation, imho.

In T8, we have a MNK and DRG. Right now I'm a little more geared than our MNK (mostly weapon, should be fixed soon though), so I tend to be #2. MNK is in charge of Homing Missile, so we want him at 2 so we don't have that confusion going on. So...I Elusive Jump at least once in phase 2 to make sure he's at 2 (other DPS are using Quelling there just in case) When he gets more gear that won't have to happen

But, this is something to keep in mind, especially since MNK do more DPS naturally than we DRG

[ColdestHeaven]

In T8, we have a MNK and DRG. Right now I'm a little more geared than our MNK (mostly weapon, should be fixed soon though), so I tend to be #2. MNK is in charge of Homing Missile, so we want him at 2 so we don't have that confusion going on. So...I Elusive Jump at least once in phase 2 to make sure he's at 2 (other DPS are using Quelling there just in case) When he gets more gear that won't have to happen

But, this is something to keep in mind, especially since MNK do more DPS naturally than we DRG

Aye, that's why I said it depends on the situation. Or rather, on the group. As of last time, he still has to catch up with me (DRG) and the BLM - so in the end, it's better if at least one of the melees can stay on the target as much as it can. I didn't check if the BLM actually used Quelling, but in case he didn't it might make sense to try and Elusive to leave the 2nd aggro spot to him to help him keep both GL and up-time.

Edit: "he", I meant the monk in my static. Pfff. Who needs subjects anyway.

[Empressia]

Aye, that's why I said it depends on the situation. Or rather, on the group. As of last time, he still has to catch up with me (DRG) and the BLM - so in the end, it's better if at least one of the melees can stay on the target as much as it can. I didn't check if the BLM actually used Quelling, but in case he didn't it might make sense to try and Elusive to leave the 2nd aggro spot to him to help him keep both GL and up-time.

Edit: "he", I meant the monk in my static. Pfff. Who needs subjects anyway.

Interesting is ur MNK DPS is 450+? Cuz our 450 DPS MNK can't even beat the threat generated by our crazy WHM (capable of almost solo heal t9)

[ColdestHeaven]

Interesting is ur MNK DPS is 450+? Cuz our 450 DPS MNK can't even beat the threat generated by our crazy WHM (capable of almost solo heal t9)

Our WHM manages enmity carefully. If he didn't, our tank would lose aggro during the fight, what with Dreadnaughts/Brainjacks/Mines interrupting his enmity generation in each phase. I myself come very close to stealing aggro in that fight.

In terms of DPS, I really wouldn't know. Thing is, each time I read something in this forum about DPS I always see numbers way (like, WAY) higher than those that our healer's parsers say. Like, you say 450 for our MNK? He averages 350 according to the parser. The rest of us rarely reaches 400+. And yet I even hear MNKs doing 500 or stuff like that. I don't even care anymore at this point.

We can easily skip the last set of towers during the second phase and if we don't mess up we can skip the last ballistic missile that usually comes before Allagan field as well - so we can't be doing that bad, right? We do know however that our MNK can and should be doing better, but I can't really imagine him doing 100 more DPS. We would skip way more of the fight, is it possible?

[Sleigh]

Our WHM manages enmity carefully. If he didn't, our tank would lose aggro during the fight, what with Dreadnaughts/Brainjacks/Mines interrupting his enmity generation in each phase. I myself come very close to stealing aggro in that fight.

In terms of DPS, I really wouldn't know. Thing is, each time I read something in this forum about DPS I always see numbers way (like, WAY) higher than those that our healer's parsers say. Like, you say 450 for our MNK? He averages 350 according to the parser. The rest of us rarely reaches 400+. And yet I even hear MNKs doing 500 or stuff like that. I don't even care anymore at this point.

We can easily skip the last set of towers during the second phase and if we don't mess up we can skip the last ballistic missile that usually comes before Allagan field as well - so we can't be doing that bad, right? We do know however that our MNK can and should be doing better, but I can't really imagine him doing 100 more DPS. We would skip way more of the fight, is it possible?

It depends on a lot of factors. Assuming he's doing the standard rotation/priority for MNK in an acceptable fashion, it depends on how geared he is, how many duties you give him, if there's another Dragon Kick user, if he's getting Selene, if he gets enough Army's Paeon, stuff like that. A decently played MNK with maxed out gear and another MNK giving Dragon Kick can consistently go above 500 if given no duties, but it's quite acceptable to be closer to 400-450, if you've got i110 weapon but less gear and some duties.

[Itseotle]

Our WHM manages enmity carefully. If he didn't, our tank would lose aggro during the fight, what with Dreadnaughts/Brainjacks/Mines interrupting his enmity generation in each phase. I myself come very close to stealing aggro in that fight.

In terms of DPS, I really wouldn't know. Thing is, each time I read something in this forum about DPS I always see numbers way (like, WAY) higher than those that our healer's parsers say. Like, you say 450 for our MNK? He averages 350 according to the parser. The rest of us rarely reaches 400+. And yet I even hear MNKs doing 500 or stuff like that. I don't even care anymore at this point.

We can easily skip the last set of towers during the second phase and if we don't mess up we can skip the last ballistic missile that usually comes before Allagan field as well - so we can't be doing that bad, right? We do know however that our MNK can and should be doing better, but I can't really imagine him doing 100 more DPS. We would skip way more of the fight, is it possible?

I'm with ya here buddy. I'm full i110, not yet BiS need the T9 drops, but in T8 my best parse to date was only 430, but I keep seeing how my numbers are on the low end, and especially in other fights like T6/7 if I'm over 370 I'm doing great but according to the forums thats bad :P I'm wondering though, as a community, what are your kill times for certain bosses? Our last T6 was 5:07 and our last T8 was 8:33, our best times yet. I am very curious to see how my groups times do compared to everyone else's, just in case someone isn't adding up our dps right on there notepad

EDIT: Don't care about T7 so much as our group stalls a lot for safety on Renauld timers