Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[whiskeybravo]

That first page has me confused, lol.
I just got Dragoon status yesterday so have very limited abilities, what sort of rotations would any of you suggest in the level 30-45 or 40 range?

Lv30:
HT-ID/Phleb-TTT repeat (ID or Phleb every other time, Phleb is 18 sec duration)

Lv38:
HT-ID-Dis-Pleb-HT-TTT repeat (Disembowel 20 sec duration, Phleb is 18, and Heavy Thrust only 12)

Lv40:
HT-ID-Dis-Phleb-TTT repeat (finally Heavy Thrust gets to 20 sec duration, less clipping)

Something like that anyways.. It won't change from that until you get Chaos Thrust/Exenterate at lv50

Those ST items are like melded i90 for free

I don't know about that.. The melded pieces can be pretty sweet. (I'm looking at Hak Matic >.>). But overall, it's more or less a puzzle, trying to fit the right pieces in with what you have to give you the best output. Like I've stuck with the Wyrm's Mail because I've got accuracy on Animus.. If I had Liberator I would have to replace that accuracy somewhere.

[Andrens]

I don't know about that.. The melded pieces can be pretty sweet. (I'm looking at Hak Matic >.>). But overall, it's more or less a puzzle, trying to fit the right pieces in with what you have to give you the best output. Like I've stuck with the Wyrm's Mail because I've got accuracy on Animus.. If I had Liberator I would have to replace that accuracy somewhere.

Same thing is happening to me with Novus. I went full DET/CRIT and now those ST pieces filled by ACC/DET looks nice

[whiskeybravo]

Same thing is happening to me with Novus. I went full DET/CRIT and now those ST pieces filled by ACC/DET looks nice

Nice! Glad to see I was on the right side. There was some debate when Novus first came out, some thought it was too good to be true (capping both crit AND det)

Anyways, here's some weights regarding leg pieces:

Melded i90
29 str
34 crit
(24 acc)
24 det (melded)
43.736

ST i100
34 str
27 det
(26 acc)
42.775

W. Astrum i100
34 str
38 crit
26 sksp
46.38

Astrum i110
39 str
41 crit
29 sksp
50.526

HA i110
39 str
41 sksp
(29 acc)
46.298

Accuracy isn't weighted, but I included for reference.

Taking this a step further with hq foods.. Let's say the ST legs give you enough accuracy to use Det food, and using W. Astrum legs you need to eat accuracy food:

ST legs w/ Black Truffle Risotto
42.775 + 7.747
50.522

W. Astrum Legs w/ Lava Toad Legs
46.38 + 2.222
48.602

Not a bad combo, really. But if you get i110 Astrum legs that will be favored slightly.

[Andrens]

Nice! Glad to see I was on the right side. There was some debate when Novus first came out, some thought it was too good to be true (capping both crit AND det)


ST legs w/ Black Truffle Risotto
42.775 + 7.747
50.522

W. Astrum Legs w/ Lava Toad Legs
46.38 + 2.222
48.602

Not a bad combo, really.

Those are really nice infos now
If i consider to take ST legs for ACC, then i can use Black Truffle Risotto and gettin more benefits weight

110 Astrum+Lava toad is about 52.700
ST+Risotto is really close: 50.500

[beowulf81]

thank you for your effort there whiskeybravo, its certainly appreciated.

Doesn't that weighting assume that crit and ss scale in a linear fashion, like str? i was under the impression that this was not the case.

[whiskeybravo]

Doesn't that weighting assume that crit and ss scale in a linear fashion, like str? i was under the impression that this was not the case.

I'm not sure on that one, it's just based off the weights that have been established for comparing gear sets/individual items. Treat them as "best estimates".

If what you mean is something like, (paraphrasing) "no returns on crit above 550", that may be the case.. I think someone else was saying 30% crit rate is the highest, so if that's the case then yea it's possible there is a stat cap for stuff like that. If there is a cap, I'm not sure we actually have items to reach it, and beside that I can't imagine there would be a cap already in the game, we still have a lot of progression ahead of us so why would we be so close to the cap so soon? The other thing I've read, specifically regarding tanking, is the parry rate which seems to be steps rather than linear. Like you have 23% parry at 380 str, and you need 410 str to get to 24% parry (making up numbers but just for example). So crit could work something like that, maybe it's 30% crit from 550 to 580 or something, and we just don't have the gear to get to the next "step".

[beowulf81]

thats exactly what i had thought, that you need to get crit above a certain threshold to enter a new 'tier' of crit, so to speak. An attack will either crit or it won't; the chances of it doing so would be greater with each tier. but each tier operates a range, say, between 480-510 (made up numbers, but you get my point). So having crit at 505 doesn't necessarily mean you'll do greater dps then if you had crit at 485 (using those made up numbers).

Whereas det, str and wd all seem to scale in a linear fashion.

[whiskeybravo]

Whereas det, str and wd all seem to scale in a linear fashion.

Yea, I see what you mean. I don't have an answer for that really. I mean it could be steps/tiers, or just decimals.. Say 10 crit you go from 25.625% to 26%, you probably aren't going to notice a difference in DPS. It could just be due to the RNG nature of critical hits, I've crit 5 or 6 attacks in a row, and then crit none at all for what seemed like a while. You can see the incremental difference in Det, Str and WD (even sksp), not so much with crit.