Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Sen_Terrechant]

Hello. I just finally cleared T5 tonight and now trying to clear T6. My question is: Is Skill Speed an important stat in SCoB? If so, what is an ideal point? I've heard / read stuff about SSpd coming into play in 2nd coil to the point where Army's Paeon is finally being used to cope with the TP-intensive fights.

Here's my current set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MWPZ - in terms of Body, I'm always concerned whether if trading the 24 Crit and Det from Wyrm's Mail to use W. Astrum Suit is worth it. I thought of probably I can just fill the Crit and Det loss with Food, but just wanna ask for a firm reason.

Any help / clarification is much appreciated. Thanks!

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

[Decrith]

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

Not necessarily, in T9's case you'd like to have enough skill speed to land an extra hit before the boss Jumps off to some of his skills.

[kyrios91]

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

Not necessarily, in T9's case you'd like to have enough skill speed to land an extra hit before the boss Jumps off to some of his skills.

I'd guess so. I always researched and most threads said that as a DRG you gotta prioritize CRIT and DET than SSpd. So basically this set is better than my previous one? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MWRI

[kyrios91]

*Continued from my post above*

The reason I doubt it because there's this guy in my LS that 'interviewed' me before helping me out for T5 (He didn't helped out eventually, lame). He asked my gear / stats and my rotation. I said that my gears and stats are exactly on that link I provided above, and my rotation is the exact same rotation from this guide - the Rotation Reborn. He started saying that "Oh my DRG deals better damage / You have the wrong rotation / You gotta put more Skill Speed" etc. I started to explain why CRIT / DET >> SSpd and the reason behind my gearsets, and he kept saying that I'm wrong and still gotta work on my rotation. He said "My DRG deals more damage but he's more undergeared than yours". In my thought, I'm really sure he's just this elitist guy who likes to call bullshit because he wrote his stats and he has lower DET and STR than me, and I don't really think someone with lower DET and STR and outdamage someone with a higher stat (Logically).

[Decrith]

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He's only half right, the rotation at the first page is the optimal rotation assuming you have the base GCD of 2.5, but with SS say... 2.4 GCD your rotation with your OFF-GCD skills have to move a bit. Skill Speed becomes entirely useless if you follow that rotation by the letter, because it doesn't utilize SS potential to get an extra skill or 2 off in a smaller time. An example would be leg sweep, try stacking all your skill speed gear and try to do the normal rotation, if you'll notice that if you delay using your next GCD to use leg sweep before a particular skill you'll be completely negating the effects of skill speed entirely. It's a bit hard to explain, but what I'm trying to say is, if you use a off-gcd skill in between your gcd skill and that said off-gcd skill is delaying gcd skill regardless of why (example, it became available when there's 1 second left till your GCD is ready and you forced to pop it first), it's better to wait for the next gcd to use it, so the incoming GCD won't be delayed by the off-gcd skill's animation.

Ughh wall of text, I hope you understand what I was trying to say xD

[Gardes]

He's only half right, the rotation at the first page is the optimal rotation assuming you have the base GCD of 2.5, but with SS say... 2.4 GCD your rotation with your OFF-GCD skills have to move a bit. Skill Speed becomes entirely useless if you follow that rotation by the letter, because it doesn't utilize SS potential to get an extra skill or 2 off in a smaller time. An example would be leg sweep, try stacking all your skill speed gear and try to do the normal rotation, if you'll notice that if you delay using your next GCD to use leg sweep before a particular skill you'll be completely negating the effects of skill speed entirely. It's a bit hard to explain, but what I'm trying to say is, if you use a off-gcd skill in between your gcd skill and that said off-gcd skill is delaying gcd skill regardless of why (example, it became available when there's 1 second left till your GCD is ready and you forced to pop it first), it's better to wait for the next gcd to use it, so the incoming GCD won't be delayed by the off-gcd skill's animation.

Ughh wall of text, I hope you understand what I was trying to say xD

Care to elaborate on how much SSP is needed for any of this and what the rotation would look like? Does it even alter the actual full rotation GCDs?

[Decrith]

Care to elaborate on how much SSP is needed for any of this and what the rotation would look like? Does it even alter the actual full rotation GCDs?

It's generally the same for the GCD rotation, only difference is, the off gcd skills are moved by a GCD at a certain point (and moved again by another point) because it'll delay your GCD if you use a skill when your GCD is almost complete. I'm certain a lot of people would disagree with me that moving the off-gcd skills or holding off in using them will hurt your DPS, but not utilizing the SS you have is a greater lost imo (assuming you have a lot of it).