Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Ayvar]

Hi,

What would be the most optimum rotation with buffs and off gcd skills for a very short duration fight? Specifically the turn5 phase where you've to burst down the conflagration before it explodes

Generally you'll only get 4-5 GCDs on a conflag. Best dps is Disembowel->True -> Vorpal -> Full. Just prep the Disembowel with an ID on Twintania as the conflag goes out, and make sure HT has been recently refreshed prior to the conflag cast. oGCD abilities will depend on whether it's a burn conflag or not. You don't need any, other than leg sweep and a jump if you want, on regular conflags, and blow half your cooldowns on the burn conflags. Feel free to Phlebotomize a regular conflag after Disembowel if two dps end up inside.

[Culex]

Bottom line: Jump.

Who would have thought the (multple!) jump techniques would've added absolutely NOTHING to the game in terms of group STRATEGY. Dodging attacks, magic, and avoiding unnecessary damage is EXACTLY what a DPS needs in order to avoid taking damage. It's got to be about more than dealing damage. Jump is the primary tool a Dragoon uses to avoid take hits. But there is just not enough... It's just not good in this game.
The cooldowns are terrible on it. I just had to say this one thing... I'm totally disappointed with the development choices in this one area, in particular. There are others, in the context of unavoidable enemy spells and techniques, but I won't even go there (right now).

[EasymodeX]

Easy, I forgot to mention this at the time, but does this mean you'd like the rotation credited to you in the guide to be changed?

Not really; what you include in your guide is up to you. The H IDC P TTT H TTT / P IDC H TTT P TTT rotation is still higher DPS, so if you're listing the higher DPS rotations, then leave that, IMO.

However, HP IDC TTT / HP IDF TTT is a rather simpler rotation with the second highest PPS and I would recommend it for someone who's not trying hard for the last 1% on the parse.

[ChaozK]

With that said, however, we'd like to touch on a few of the changes we have planned, and to start off I'll talk about dragoon. We'll be reducing the cooldown timer of Power Surge by 30 seconds and increasing the damage of their standard three action combo. Also, Jump will be adjusted so that execution is quicker, animation lock is reduced, and landing point is changed. Overall DPS will be increased by approximately 10%, so burst damage will greatly increase.

As nice as these changes sound, i fear that it may make the difference between a well played dragoon and the average 1-2-3 spammer smaller. Thoughts?

With the buffed TTT in mind, i also have a feeling fracture might become obsolete in all rotations.

[pompey_dan]

I welcome any buff to dragoon, however powersurge change is a weird one because of the timing of jump/spineshatter dive. I used to use power surge on every other jump meaning that there was a wait of an extra 10 seconds on the cool down of using every other jump.

I guess now we could powersurge every 3rd jump and everytime spineshatter dive is up wait an extra 30 seconds so that will be power surged?
So it could go:

PS > J > J > PS > SSD > J > PS > J > J > PS > SSD > J then keep repeating from the beginning.

This would keep jump on its 40s cooldown and spineshatter dive would only be used when it is power surged, but the 30sec wait on SSD is not good. This is not that optimal, over 5 minutes the potency is about 2665 (including the last PS SSD).

Simply waiting 20 seconds on the power surge timer so that it is ready for every other jump like before and using SSD on cooldown has slightly more potency over 5 minutes @ 2680.

So they may aswell have just reduced the timer by 10 seconds lol unless anyone can think of a better way to use it ??

[EasymodeX]

Based on a cursory review, you are correct: if you're timing it with only Jumps, or with Jumps + SSD on cooldown, then they may have well just reduce it by 10s, not 30s.

The only time this changes is if you hold SSD for whatever mechanics reasons, or hold Jumps for mechanics. In these cases, the shorter PS cooldown will result in "less DPS loss" from delaying the Jumps.

[ColdestHeaven]

As nice as these changes sound, i fear that it may make the difference between a well played dragoon and the average 1-2-3 spammer smaller. Thoughts?

With the buffed TTT in mind, i also have a feeling fracture might become obsolete in all rotations.

About fracture I have no idea, but trust me - when I get lazy and only spam 1-2-3 I never get beyond 450 damage or so, whereas when I'm fully buffed and I debuff the enemy I can end up dealing 1k damage. And that's only one hit, not mentioning continuous skills and overall DPS. There is still a massive gap between bad dragoons and good dragoons.

[PArcher]

As nice as these changes sound, i fear that it may make the difference between a well played dragoon and the average 1-2-3 spammer smaller. Thoughts?

With the buffed TTT in mind, i also have a feeling fracture might become obsolete in all rotations.

Buffing TTT will buff a DRG who's using their full rotation more, IMO. When RNG's on my side, my FT can go over 1100 (normally its between about 1030 and 1100). I can see it going up to or over 1300 after 2.1 hits, maybe even over 1400 if the buff to FT is strong enough, and if we get ARC as cross-class...I'm not even sure how high FT can go with RS+BFB+Dis+HT+LS or Jump with PS and the buffs (I could do the math but I'm lazy)

[Khalous]

Translate "H IDC P TTT H TTT / P IDC H TTT P TTT " for me like I am one of your french girls.

I can figure out IDC, TTT, P, and H... but what is the /? at first I thought it was a repeat designator, now I just want more coffee.

Is that supposed to mean fracture?

[EasymodeX]

The / just indicates "next line" as a logical shift in the rotation without burning oodles of vertical space ... more relevant for reddit or listing like 5 different rotattions, but I did it out of habit.

E.g.:

H IDC P TTT H TTT
P IDC H TTT P TTT


Edit: If DRGs picked up RS, FTs would probably cap out around 1350. Up to 1500 with the purported TTT buffs. Up to ?? 1600 ?? with an i95 weap.