Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Kismet]

What kind of DPS do you guys pull on T5? I've been spending a lot of time in there recently and I seem top out around 275.

I've been using Easy's/Ayvar's "FR-less" rotation for the most part (HT-ID-Dis-CT-Ph-TT-VT-FT-HT-TT-VT-FT-Ph-ID-Dis-CT-HT-TT-VT-FT-Ph-TT-VT-FT), but I'm starting to think that including FR might be a better choice.

My reason being is that when switching from Twin to the conflags, FR dot would still be ticking.

Is this the typical range for a DRG in T5? You can see my gear/stats here: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...racter/2404936

[EasymodeX]

My reason being is that when switching from Twin to the conflags, FR dot would still be ticking.

That's not a legitimate reason to use FR. Your FR would still be ticking for tiny damage, after you take a direct damage penalty (depending on the last attack prior).

Analysis:

1. Going into a conflag, you shouldn't be optimizing DPS on twintania. You should be setting up for the conflag / I don't care how good your group's dps is and how slow the conflag is, you should do good so your group can swap back to T asap.

2. Setting up for a conflag involves a HT on Twint and ID on Twint, transitioning to the Disembowel immediately on the conflag. There's no room for FR here.

3. All that said, assuming you are one GCD behind the HT mentioned above, you are presented with a choice: "what should my last GCD on Twintania be before I prep for the conflag?".

Your options (DE-adjusted):

TT: 165p
VT: 220p
FT: 330p
ID: 198p
DE: 242p
CT: 176+200p (376)p
PH: 187+120p (307)p
PH-3: 187+60p (247)p
FR: 110+120 (230)p

Just skimming across the numbers, FR is less effective to use than FT/DE/CT/PH and DamnNearEven to VT. In VT's case, it's likely worth finishing the combo through FT and then prepping for conflag.

Note on PH-3: that is Phlebotomize when you clip 3 ticks of it (6.01-8.99 seconds left on the debuff).

So, if you were about to use 5 out of 7 of your regular rotation's attacks, they are better. If you were about to use a TT or ID before prepping for conflag, then FR is better. Depending on the time left on PH (<9s, and whether it was buffed or not so you can actually clip successfully), you may be able to throw in an out-of-cycle PH instead.


Edit: For early wipes in T5 I'm in the 300 range because I AOE spam the dragons.

Edit: I looked at your lodestone profile and you could probably improve your DPS if you chugged a fantasia potion and switched to anything else besides a Lalafell.

Just sayin'.

[Kismet]

Edit: I looked at your lodestone profile and you could probably improve your DPS if you chugged a fantasia potion and switched to anything else besides a Lalafell.

But then I couldn't make fun of my raid for being out dps'd by a Lalafell DRG!

Thanks for the detailed analysis Easy. I usually do refresh my HT and have a DE ready for the conflag. It seems any gain from FR would be minimum, and the conditions that have to be met probably don't merit using it at all. I'll probably continue NOT using it for simplicity sake.

If you hover around 300 while spamming AoE, I'm going to assume ~275 is okay through the conflag phase. Thanks again for the reply and all the other work you've done number crunching for us DRGs!

[Glyini]

Edit: I looked at your lodestone profile and you could probably improve your DPS if you chugged a fantasia potion and switched to anything else besides a Lalafell.

Just sayin'.

What is wrong with being an adorable midget of death?

[Ceelo_Mage]

What is FR ?

[Thorauku]

Should I really include Jump skills in my usual DPS rotation?

[Sir_Maxwell]

Should I really include Jump skills in my usual DPS rotation?

Yes...only if you know it's safe to do so i.e. landslide/plumes/red boxes/circles in general aren't coming.

2.1 Jumps are getting buffed as well. From the notes it's faster animation and more control during the end of the jump. So might as well get used to using them now

[Thorauku]

Yes...only if you know it's safe to do so i.e. landslide/plumes/red boxes/circles in general aren't coming.

2.1 Jumps are getting buffed as well. From the notes it's faster animation and more control during the end of the jump. So might as well get used to using them now

Alright! Thanks! I just levelled my DRG to 50 so I'm still checking things out.

[amaezing]

BiS Coil Gear

Mythology: Belt, Chest, Neck, Ring 1
Allagan: Boots, Bracelet (Maiming), Earring (Striking), Gloves, Helm, Leggings, Ring 2 (Striking)

Thankfully most of the best gear is dropped, so you only have to worry about purchasing one expensive piece with mythology tomes as the other three pieces are "cheap".

Here's a more visually pleasing version of the above list (provided by Kheten from page 44):

http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2901/DRG-BiS

And this is a Pre-Turn 5 Coil version for the people that requested it. Just be careful with this set, there is a lot of added mythology gear, and the extra tome expense may not be worth it if you plan to reach Turn 5 anytime soon, so start by purchasing the Mythology pieces that are common to both sets:

http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/3298/Pre-Turn-5-DRG-BiS

Ayvar

why is BiS Allagan? http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2901/DRG-BiS why not Wyrms Breeches?