Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Spartan117]

If all your damage (excl. DoTs) is piercing, then a 10% reduction in piercing resistance is effectively a 10% increase of all your damage. Afaik this works 1:1, I'm sure it's been tested and the calculations in this thread are all along these lines: Disembowel + Attack = Attack *1.1

Which comes to a point i disagree with this thread. Conventional armor/resistance formulas (not just for MMOs) go somewhere along the line of 100/(100+armor/resistance). It makes more sense that a 10% reduction does not mean a straight up 10% increase in damage, if not it makes stacking armor rather moot.

And using 100/(100+resistance) formula gives at best a 3% increase in damage taken, with values up to 400 resistance (we have 34X ish resistance on our characters as basis)

[Dervy]

I have found putting phlebotomize directly after heavy thrust actually produces more damage than after chaos thrust combo. a large portion of that damage comes from the DOT. The chaos thrust combo is a solid 7 -7.5 seconds long. that's at least 2 ticks of 50 ptoency you are losing out on by putting it after the chaos thrust combo. It's also far easier than keeping track of 3 buffs instead of just 2. It does put chaos thrust back almost a whole tick, which would be probably about 25 potency, made up for in the early phlebo. I am confident this raises dps.

Yes, you are right. Plebotomize does get an extra 2 ticks at the start of you applying it, but you then lose those 2 ticks on Chaos Thrust application, as both DoTs end at the same time. In total, it's a DPS loss as CT DoTs > PL DoTs. The discussion around it was posted in the more earlier pages, around page 25-40. Somewhere there.

[Ayvar]

Was giving things time to settle and info to come out before updating. I've added the new stat weights, and if someone wants to make the BiS gearlists (including crafted gear if necessary) for ~470 (T6/T7) and ~495 (T8/T9) accuracy then the first legit posting will get added to the guide.

Thanks!

[TwoSixSided]

Hey guys i'll be a dragoon in a couple levels and hopefully will someday understand what this threads about. But in the mean time, later on I want to be pretty good at pvp, will that be something a dragoon is capable of?

[Silverharp]

Hey guys i'll be a dragoon in a couple levels and hopefully will someday understand what this threads about. But in the mean time, later on I want to be pretty good at pvp, will that be something a dragoon is capable of?

Anyone is capable of being good in PvP, but your success is not tied to your own actions, you need to be coordinated with your party members and fellow alliance members if you want to win.

[dippindots326]

I have more questions! I recently parsed myself and got about 500 on my burst and doing my rotation with cooldowns I had about 427 on a striking dummy.

Are these good numbers at ilvl 99?

[Sessurea]

I have more questions! I recently parsed myself and got about 500 on my burst and doing my rotation with cooldowns I had about 427 on a striking dummy.

Are these good numbers at ilvl 99?

427 at i99? how long was this parse?

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

I wanted to check if my opening rotation is a good one or if I'm doing anything wrong on it.

HT (IR) > PH > ID (PS) > DS (BfB) > CT (Jump) > TT (DFD) > VT (LS) > FT (SSD) > HT (Potent Posioning Potion) > PH (Leg Sweep) > TTT > CT combo

The reason I put PH up first, is because I haven't seen the DPS increase from using it after CT. Phlebotomize as far as I know, isn't affected by piercing resistances, well the DoT part isn't. So the only thing it gains is from the BfB. But is delaying your PHle for 3 GCDs a dps loss or increase?

[Daweism]

I wanted to check if my opening rotation is a good one or if I'm doing anything wrong on it.

HT (IR) > PH > ID (PS) > DS (BfB) > CT (Jump) > TT (DFD) > VT (LS) > FT (SSD) > HT (Potent Posioning Potion) > PH (Leg Sweep) > TTT > CT combo

The reason I put PH up first, is because I haven't seen the DPS increase from using it after CT. Phlebotomize as far as I know, isn't affected by piercing resistances, well the DoT part isn't. So the only thing it gains is from the BfB. But is delaying your PHle for 3 GCDs a dps loss or increase?

The initial hit of 170 potency from Phleb is not affected by piercing debuff?

[SunnyHirose]

I wanted to check if my opening rotation is a good one or if I'm doing anything wrong on it.

HT (IR) > PH > ID (PS) > DS (BfB) > CT (Jump) > TT (DFD) > VT (LS) > FT (SSD) > HT (Potent Posioning Potion) > PH (Leg Sweep) > TTT > CT combo

The reason I put PH up first, is because I haven't seen the DPS increase from using it after CT. Phlebotomize as far as I know, isn't affected by piercing resistances, well the DoT part isn't. So the only thing it gains is from the BfB. But is delaying your PHle for 3 GCDs a dps loss or increase?

You should have Blood for Blood on your first Phlebotomize no matter whether it goes before or after the first Disembowel. Preferably both Blood for Blood and Internal Release.